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  •  For some reason the Roosevelt family had similar (5+ / 0-)

    background to the Bush family, but came to completely opposite conclusions.

    That is my historical great imponderable in this current mess.  

    Why?

    It's full of stars...

    by Terra Mystica on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 10:45:50 PM PDT

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    •  Short simple explanation --- Pain. nt (4+ / 0-)
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      •  Do you mean the pain of service and palsey? (3+ / 0-)

        And therefore some sense of what others endure?

        Not being willfully obtuse.  This discussion raises some interesting issues.

        It's full of stars...

        by Terra Mystica on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:48:20 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, he endured incredible pain from polio. (10+ / 0-)

          He demonstrates true will power he probably had two bouts.  It is amazing he did not loose his lungs at one time.  He fought back so hard to get his hands and back working again.  There were no anagesics at that time.  He worked long hours and then drank scotch to sleep at night.

          He was a tall, handsome, very sporting man until polio at 42. He loved to dance etc. He was 6'4".  He essentially learned to walk on his arm strength with ten lbs. of braces on each leg.

          Then he had to endure being lifted in and out of bed bath, being dressed.  Then he was shouldered carried over someone's back where there were steps and no elevators.

          All of this made him aware of the rural suffering from no electricity.  No private business would do it because of the need for such high initial capitalization and then no prospect of real profit.  Thus, TVA for the South.

          He also lived in Warm Springs with people not having enough to eat on a regular basis.  People always just barely making it and having no pensions etc. working harrowing work til they died.  These people became friends and not statistics.

          Once he was crippled he personally experienced not being allowed to eat in restaurants, go to concerts, etc.  In those days all disease was considered contagious and cripples were not allowed in public places.  The loss of personal respect causes many to try suicide and he got to experience that also.

          When he was young it was said that FDR stood for featherduster.  He was considered a womanizer and a dellitante.  All that changed after polio.  From then on he truly understood there but for the grace of god go I.

          •  I honestly believe it is genetic (2+ / 0-)
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            From Wiki

            Franklin Delano Roosevelt was born on January 30, 1882 in Hyde Park, in the Hudson Valley in upstate New York. His father, James Roosevelt, Sr., and his mother, Sara Ann Delano, were each from wealthy old New York families, of Dutch and French ancestry respectively. Franklin was their only child. His paternal grandmother, Mary Rebecca Aspinwall, was a first cousin of Elizabeth Kortright Monroe, wife of the fifth U.S. President, James Monroe. His maternal grandfather, Warren Delano, Jr., a descendant of Mayflower passengers Richard Warren, Isaac Allerton, Degory Priest, and Francis Cooke, made a fortune in the opium trade in China.[1]

            Young Franklin Roosevelt, with his father and Helen R. Roosevelt, sailing in 1899
            Roosevelt grew up in an atmosphere of privilege. Sara was a possessive mother, while James was an elderly and remote father (he was 54 when Franklin was born). Sara was the dominant influence in Franklin's early years.[2] Frequent trips to Europe made Roosevelt conversant in German and French. He learned to ride, shoot, row, and play polo and lawn tennis.
            Roosevelt went to Groton School, an Episcopal boarding school in Massachusetts. He was heavily influenced by the headmaster, Endicott Peabody, who preached the duty of Christians to help the less fortunate and urged his students to enter public service. Roosevelt completed his undergraduate studies at Harvard, where he lived in luxurious Adams House and was a member of the Alpha Delta Phi fraternity. While at Harvard, his fifth cousin Theodore Roosevelt became president, and Theodore's vigorous leadership style and reforming zeal made him Franklin's role model and hero.

            Clearly FDR had a very different upbringing than Bush, much more akin to the Kennedys. One major consistency is their religious upbringing. There is little difference between Episcopal and Catholic social teaching and moral responsibility to the least among us.

            We aren't going to destroy the Republic by enforcing the Constitution, we destroy it by inaction, by being fearful of the consequences.

            by ghengismom on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 07:08:39 AM PDT

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        •  Compare this to our current candidates... (1+ / 0-)
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             Those who have had close losses of kin or fight to overcome health issues within the family are very focused on helping the disadvantaged or those that suffer in this rich nation.

          Eisenhower- "We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage."

          by NC Dem on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 07:58:19 AM PDT

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    •  The white sheep of their socioeconomic class. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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