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  •  I actually am not a supporter of ballot (1+ / 0-)
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    initiatives (at least as they are done now) in that they are too easy to pass, taking just 50% plus one of those voting - with some election turnouts at 25% of eligible voters, a small number of people can have an undue influence. (Switzerland has an interesting system wich certainly could work in Maine.)

    The 15% requirement is of interest, and a step in the right direction - albeit it a small one.

    Dams have their own inhierent problems, chief of which is their relatively short life span. Maine has actually been removing dams - you can imagine how many there are here, used originally to power mills.

    17. Ne5

    In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

    by Spud1 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 08:10:44 AM PDT

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    •  interesting conundrum, that. (1+ / 0-)
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      dams are at risk, condemned and removed if they fail to pass an inspection.

      Yet the waterlines they hold back, the shoreland zone, is the most restrictive landuse regulation in the state.

      We want to protect the shoreland, but not the dams the usually create them.

      "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

      by zic on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 10:37:41 AM PDT

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      •  I can't imagine a new dam like those thta (1+ / 0-)
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        can be found around the state would be approved today. I swim in Lake Megunticook, and while it is indeed beautiful and refreshing, it would exist without a dam.

        And removing the ones that create these "lakes" is really not goign to happen, even though they no longer produce power - the land owners of shorefront would go bonkers, and who can blame them. Look at the outcry in Newcastle with the collpase the dam that created Sherman Lake.

        17. Ne5

        In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

        by Spud1 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 10:44:03 AM PDT

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        •  You have nicely summed up the problem. (1+ / 0-)
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          My 2 cents? It's another example of ignoring infrastructure. In this case, towns have benefited from those dams, even though then no longer produce power, because of the increased shoreland and higher property tax rates on shore land.

          But nobody wants the burden of maintaining or insuring. Many, including the lake I swim in, have dams that are at risk with significant down-water populations.

          I don't know the solution; I only know that it's a problem that only gets articulated when an incident such as the Sherman Lake dam takes place. Or the dam on my drinking water supply in Bethel get's wiped out. (That's another tale, one that needs a hard examination for a future debate.) My suggestion is that even thought the power generated would be miniscule, we should put state/fed funds into these dams for power, when (and here's the nugget) and only when there's enough naturally occuring power to generate power, 'cause a whole lot of mimiscule power sources add up.

          "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

          by zic on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:21:46 AM PDT

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        •  it would not exist w/o a dam - need to proofread (1+ / 0-)
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          better. It is a beautiful spot.

          17. Ne5

          In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

          by Spud1 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:39:49 AM PDT

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    •  I hear that (0+ / 0-)

      It's true that they have their own problems.  That's just the state affairs we are in right now.

      I'm also not a big fan of citizen initiatives here.  They are too easy, and we've got a guy who actually makes a living running anti-tax initiatives.  

      Whatever comes up, comes out, we don't put our hands over our mouths.

      by otto on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:24:49 AM PDT

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