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  •  it was the remark about america (3+ / 0-)
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    that I found most offensive.

    What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

    by slinkerwink on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:04:13 PM PDT

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    •  Ok. (1+ / 0-)
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      And having someone say "god damn America" is hyperventilation material?  Fainting, we have people fainting.

      Quick poll: Flag burning is protected or not?

      "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

      by ogre on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:28:15 PM PDT

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    •  So, what was wrong with that? (0+ / 0-)

      You reap what you sew. The fact is that when we built permanent bases in Saudi Arabia after Saddam's invasion on Kuwait, we pissed a ton of people off, including many who would not do the kinds of things that Bin Laden did. People like Bin Laden considered it to be an act of war. What we have to do in the future is to bring Bin Laden to justice for his deeds and then always take into account the cultural memes of the people we are dealing with before we build bases in their territories.

      And that is on top of the many other militaristic adventures that we have had over the years that Wright describes. There was nothing wrong with what he was saying there.

      •  Saudi Arabia ASKED us to be there (0+ / 0-)

        to protect the royal family and THEIR oil interests.  That bin laden didn't like it shouldn't be our problem.

        If you think independents in swing states are going to embrace the idea that we had 9/11 coming, you're dreaming.

        •  Their government did. (0+ / 0-)

          Your "concern" is noted, but sometimes, it is important to tell the truth, no matter how comfortable it is. And the truth is that 50 years of reliance on the military industrial complex has so sucked the blood out of this country that we are tottering on the brink. The same thing happened to the Romans -- they were so sustained by imperial conquests that when they had reached their natural limits, they were no longer sustainable and collapsed and fell within a few centuries. When we rely on the military industrial complex, it is hardly surprising that some people will want to strike back at us. I know it's not right, but that is just a fact of human nature.

        •  Sorry... What? (2+ / 0-)
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          ...because we did what the government of a totalitarian state asked us to do other people should not be pissed about it?

          Now, I agree that saying we had it coming is probably not really accurate, but that is also not what I heard Wright saying. I heard him saying that there are consequences to the actions of the US in the world, and that 9/11 was one of those consequences. I did not hear him saying that is okay, just that it is reality.

          •  Somehow in Rev Wright's view (0+ / 0-)

            Bombing Japan in WWII brought on 9/11 along with other thoroughly unrelated actions.  And other people can get pissed all they want - they still don't get to kill thousands of Americans without pissing off waaaay more Americans.

            Do you really think the average independent voter in a swing state is going to sit there and say "well, maybe they have a point and have a right to kill more of us".

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