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  •  DocGonzo's plan of technological defense above (10+ / 0-)

    deserves further circulation and analysis.

    I ask others join me in keeping an eye peeled for opportunities to circulate DocGonzo's remedy, and moreover taking any action you can in its actual application.

    I don't particularly care whether others alert me to the fact that they are participating in trying to get moving on this technological defense.  My interest is limited to seeing the fruition of the defense itself by any route.

    Thanks to DocGonzo for assembling and sharing a potential practical fortification of electronic freedom of speech.

    It's getting drafty in here. Somebody close the war.

    by mrcoder on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 08:23:39 AM PST

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    •  EFF (13+ / 0-)

      My first move, was to visit the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and spread the word there.  I am a member of the EFF.

      And I soon discovered the EFF provides no peer forum for members to communicate.

      What is the wrong with the EFF to not even host peer information exchange between members?

      Top-down mentalities continues to plague EFF and ACLU.  Neither one provides any means for members to discuss ideas amongst themselves.  

      Lawyers at the top of these organizations, while doing good work, are arrogant SOBs to presume that good ideas spring forth uniquely from the minds of the organization's bosses.

      Their leadership needs to get into the 21 century.  Their leadership are risking the loss of continuing monetary donations to go along with the loss of valuable discussion contributions.

      It's getting drafty in here. Somebody close the war.

      by mrcoder on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:14:32 AM PST

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      •  EFF Blog (9+ / 0-)

        The EFF has a "blog" called "DeepLinks". It is the most simplistic of blogs, as it publishes posts only from authorized EFF staff, and doesn't even accept comments.

        You're a member. You should send an email to the EFF and urge it to open the blog to comments, and also to user submissions, even if it ghettoizes them in a separate category that doesn't interfere with the clarity of the current "DeepLinks".

        You could mention your experience with DKos, and how DKos has a large, activist community with many mutual interests with the EFF (and who donate money). Point out how much more engaged EFF will be with other online communities, and even those not yet in one because they're waiting (whether they know it or not) for the EFF to offer one.

        The people at EFF are familiar with the environment. These facts won't be news to them: they're no doubt themselves frequent participants in online communities as "mere" members, who can contribute to the discussion and make things happen. But reminders from members might encourage them more than just the abstract knowledge. That's how communities work.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:02:44 PM PST

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      •  That could make a good volunteer project (1+ / 0-)
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        lightfoot

        I'm an EFF supporter and someone who knows people who work at the EFF. I also have a friend who went to the EFF for legal advice, which my friend got. The following is entirely my own opinion, based on going to local EFF events.

        From what I see, the EFF is rate limited in what they can do by money and time. They have less than 30 staff, and, iirc, under 20,000 members.

        From what one of them said at a recent EFF event, they get far, far more requests for help than they can take, even for short projects (helping a person do a FOIA request, for example) or for referring a person to other lawyers who know technology and the Constitution.

        They're constantly having multiple cases and legal actions going on, above and beyond the 2 years old lawsuit against AT&T. They've got a website with thousands of pages, with every new case adding tens or hundreds of new pages (all those legal docs).

        For the EFF to have a forum-style blog, based on the size and needs of other blogs that cover those controversial legal issues, they'd have to pull people off of other projects to maintain and moderate it.

        I can't see asking the EFF to do that, not when they're already in a position of having to tell many potential clients they can't take their cases.

        And I bet a large coffee that the EFF folks knew about this case as quickly as any other techie--they read Slashdot too.

        What non-profit's blog would you use as a model for what you'd like the EFF to do? Could it be something that an EFF supporter sets up as a diary here at DailyKos?

        •  The EFF has a case on wikis and leaks right now (2+ / 0-)
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          truong son traveler, lightfoot

          Updating my post, in looking at the EFF's website they've got a case right now that started in January about a blogger who has posted documents on Ely Lilly and the medicine Zyprexa.

          So, looking at their cases page, right now the EFF is going up against:
          AT&T (and the NSA, DoJ, and Bush White House),
          U.S. Department of Homeland Security
          Ely Lilly
          Michael Savage
          Universal Music Publishing Group
          Uri Geller (copyright and takedown notices)
          and more

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