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  •  I thought Obama taught... (12+ / 0-)

    ...Constitutional law.

    The above box quote seems to suggest otherwise.

    "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."--Padmé Amidala

    by wyvern on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:06:53 PM PDT

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    •  if you can leave your church of 20 years (5+ / 0-)

      you can leave your understanding of the constitution

      •  Geeze, will you get off the O-train's back he's (0+ / 0-)

        doing the best he can as the a JUNIOR Senator and presumtive nominee; he's not pres yet. Plus, Reid's gonna kill the bill!!

        McSame is a 'don't tax-still spend' repug

        by deutschluz on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:19:13 PM PDT

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        •  Reid is not going to kill this bill (2+ / 0-)
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          He just said that the Senate will have to work through the holiday, if necessary, to deal with it and others on the table.

        •  Why get "off his back".. (8+ / 0-)

          ...when part of his pitch for president is that he taught constitutional law?

          Yet he approaches FISA as if he is one of his own D- students?

          This is not enough to make me not vote for him (there is literally no other choice).

          I just want to see Obama start backing up his alleged academic superiority when it comes to all things U.S. Constitution.

          "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."--Padmé Amidala

          by wyvern on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:28:08 PM PDT

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          •  So if he genuinely disagrees with you (0+ / 0-)

            he's wrong and stupid???? And where did you earn your law degree??

            This sounds a little like the anti-abortion crowd. Either you are with them 100%, or you are a murderer.

            •  If you aren't for Freedom (0+ / 0-)

              Then you are wrong.
                I don't expect any politician to agree with me or I them on everything but this is about Freedom,and the Constitution.
               This isn't any ole issue.  This is THE issue.
                I expect every American to support Freedom,The Constitution,Rule of Law and an accountable and open governmnet.
                This isn't just about immunity for telecoms,it is about secret spying on Americans.
               This is also about holding the Bush administration accountable for its criminal behavior.
                 Congress needs to know exactly what Bush did before it can grant immunity. Congress does not know what it is granting immunity for.
                This is a Bill that Bush,Cheney and Big Corporations support.  How many Bills supported by these people are good for America?
                If the Democrats are going to support everything that the Republicans want what is the difference between them and republicans?
               This is not just some issue it is THE Issue.

              There is nothing Mainstream about the Corporate media.

              by drblack on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:07:41 AM PDT

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        •  what does being a junior Senator have to do with (5+ / 0-)

          standing up for the Constitution?  Do you mean it's a seniority thing?

          As for the presumptive nominee, you mean the president is not supposed to uphold the Constitution?

          •  I think (0+ / 0-)

            he means it depends on Senate leadership. As many suspect, if Reid wants it, he will probably be able to push it through. And from what I've seen of Reid, I don't trust him.

            I honestly can't figure out why people are bashing Obama over this. Pelosi and Reid are the leaders of the Senate who actively pushed this piece of crap.

            Obama may either have his own view of the bill, or be worried about GOP attacks on it. No one can know. I'd rather give him a pass on this, because in fact the GOP will attack him fiercely over this. You think the GOP won't? And you think he won't really take a big hit? I know progressives are confident that the public is on their side, but the public is mostloy ignorant on this issue. And I think they are underestimating just how ugly and nasty the GOP will be attacking on national security. Mark my words. You ain't seen nothing yet.

        •  My point is don't judge him so quickly! (0+ / 0-)

          apparently we'll have the independance day break and then resume the fight. I'm all FOR the fight by the way! But saying negative things about Obama isn't gonna do anything except make the purveyor of such comments look like those 'values-voters' who were so loyal to BUsh and so opposed to anyone else based on one or two issues! I know the issue is the Constitution, but still, it seems like we're punishing
          the people who have some sympathy with than those who have no sympathy

          McSame is a 'don't tax-still spend' repug

          by deutschluz on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:40:14 PM PDT

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          •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

            The GOP is loving this.

            I wish people could exercise restraint in their public badmouthing of our nominee until 2009. (and for the most part, they have).

            Fax, email, phone and pressure all you want. It's an honorable fight. But no scorched earth.

          •  so, stating that he's wrong on this is punishing? (3+ / 0-)
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            So we're supposed to be silent?  You know who looks like those values voters you're talking about?  The ones who say we shouldn't say anything; the ones who say that he has to have cover; the ones who say that he's smarter than us, he has a plan, you know the drill.  Those are the people who are displaying blind loyalty.

            My question is: Do you want to be one of them?

            •  Do you you think (0+ / 0-)

              we should sacrifice global warming, torture, habeus corpus, national health care, iraq, and on and on just for this single vote?

              The Nader-like chatter about how "there all the same" or the "Dems are equally bad" etc. I read on some of the blogs suggests some haven't learned the dark, dark lessons from 2000 that the nation (and world) paid a heavy price for. Many people dead and tortured later, I am just trying to ask people to be measured in their criticism and to think strategically. A president Obama in 2009 could roll back this FISA bill or the MCA 2006. We could finally get to the bottom of the illegal wiretapping with a Democratic admin. A president McCain would be granting full pardons to Rove and Bush, covering up all their crimes, and bombing Iran.

              I'm just saying that there is a LOT riding on this election, and the GOP will be attacking on this issue. That's reality.

              •  Freedom is a basic American issue (0+ / 0-)

                How do you know you will get any of those other things if Freedom,the Constitution,The Rule Of law,and an open ,accountable governmnet aren't worth fighting for?
                   One reason I have been a Democrat is that we do hold our politicians accountable and criticize them.
                  The republicans are the party that doesn't ever criticize or hold its elected officials accountable.
                   The US will be like China if things continue in this way.

                There is nothing Mainstream about the Corporate media.

                by drblack on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:11:40 AM PDT

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      •  Apple & oranges... (5+ / 0-)

        ...I am not voting for Obama to be a faithful church deacon, I am voting for him to be the type of president that can back up all that bragging he does about teaching constitutional law.

        Judging by the above box quote (which reveals a depressing  ignorance of both telecom duplicity & nefarious government  motive), if Obama was a math teacher,  we would be teaching his students that 2+2=5.

        "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."--Padmé Amidala

        by wyvern on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:23:40 PM PDT

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        •  To judge Obama now on this is unfair because (0+ / 0-)
          1. we already know his public stance; previous opposition to similar bills
          1. we don't know exactly what he has done, is doing, or will do regarding this bill.

          McSame is a 'don't tax-still spend' repug

          by deutschluz on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:26:58 PM PDT

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