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  •  Quick question: (5+ / 12-)

    on Tuesday, November 4th, I will join many other volunters to help win the most important election in a generation by working with Senator Obama's campaign get voters to the polls

    How you gonna do that when you aren't old enough to drive?

    most of you are getting sick of me asking people to donate to my personal fundraising page to help me reach my personal fundraising goal on BarackObama.com

    It is getting kinda old.

    •  There are plenty of other diaries (16+ / 0-)

      so why not just move on?

      And even if he can't drive, he can assist disabled people in and out of cars, get them on the phone for directions, etc.

      Lighten up, dude!

      Once again, I don't have a clever sig.

      by MaskedKat on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:55:50 AM PDT

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    •  My answer to that... (34+ / 0-)

      People don't need a car to do that. We will be making phone calls, going door-to-door, and  holding signs near busy streets. Its called Get Out The Vote (GOTV).

      Check Out My Website @ http://www.AsherHeimermann.com And Learn More About Me!

      by AsherHeimermann on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:57:05 AM PDT

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      •  Encouragement comes in different forms. (2+ / 1-)
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        Avila

        I don't believe that unconditional approval makes people better.  As a student he's in the process of learning things and can benefit from both positive and negative feedback.  

        Nice abusive TRs above.  How are things at the sewer this morning.

        •  I did't HR you...but I don't agree with you. (9+ / 0-)

          Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

          by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:13:30 AM PDT

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          •  I know you didn't TR me. (2+ / 0-)
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            kestrel9000 kestrel9000, Pete Rock, One Pissed Off Liberal, Lady Kestrel

            You don't have to agree with me.  Reasonable people can disagree about things.  But those d0nuts are ugly, particularly the husband and wife.

            •  Too bad. (4+ / 0-)
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              We happen to think the way you treat people around here is pretty ugly.
              Go figure.

              John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

              by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:18:31 AM PDT

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              •  Why not ask dave and Randy to help you hide (2+ / 0-)
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                my comment?  Oh that's right, their ability to do so was taken away for dropping d0nuts just like yours.  Carry on.

                •  "dropping d0nuts just like yours" (4+ / 0-)
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                  Avila, Lady Kestrel, csquared, indubitably

                  Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
                  You really need to get over yourself. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not the only one you're pissing off around here.

                  John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                  by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:23:58 AM PDT

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                •  Why was I brought up here? (6+ / 0-)

                  So temporarily you got your favorite administrator to take away my "ratings" ability.  Does that make the decision right?  Let the appeals process take its time to sort it out.  

                  Doesn't matter b/c I don't need ratings although on principle they should be restored. (and I would probably not even use my HRs at all on anyone, even you.)

                  Your behavior in this thread is a perfect example of everything I have ever said about you.  Thus, I've bookmarked it.

                  There's only so long where you can be protected.  Sooner or later, those running this site might come to the conclusion (and it is their choice, their site) that the few positive contributions you make are far outweighed by the negatives and as a result.

                  DailyKos LLC is a business entity.  Now Markos reserves the right to ban anybody for any reason OR no reason at all.  He can ban me in two minutes because my nice has three Es in it. From a business standpoint, he may eventualy decide that a diarist who turns away or pops the balloons of hundreds of actual democrats who have worked their asses off to try and help Democrats in 2008 is real bad for business.  So perhaps it is you who might want to be careful.

                  I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                  by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:58:33 AM PDT

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                  •  I'm gonna be somewhat nice here. (2+ / 0-)
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                    you got your favorite administrator to take away my "ratings" ability.

                    I could TR you for lying.  I didn't get anyone to do anything.  I didn't write to a single admin the day you and Randy dropped all five of your d0nuts on me.  In fact the only time I wrote to a site admin was when you outed kestrel9000's former friend.  Not sure who my favorite admin is supposed to be, none of them appear to be doing me any favors--as demonstrated by the near year it took them to deal with your habitual abuse of ratings.

                    Let the appeals process take its time to sort it out.  

                    You make it sound as if there's a kos court and your appeal is on the calendar.  In all likelihood your ratings ability will be restored after the election and it's just as likely that you'll put yourself in a hole again.

                    I would probably not even use my HRs at all on anyone, even you

                    Kinda late in the game for that revelation, no?  You've dropped dozens of d0nuts on me and not a single one was defensible.  Why would anyone expect that to change.

                    There's only so long where you can be protected.

                    Protected?  That's rich.  You're still here aren't you.

                    perhaps it is you who might want to be careful.

                    You're still threatening me?  I am careful, not perfect but careful.  If the situation were reversed there's no question you'd be dropping d0nuts on me.  This place has rules, some of them explicit and some implicit.  I play by them which is why I can still rate comments.  I don't have to promise not to abuse ratings in the future as I didn't abuse them in the past.

                    Why was I brought up here?

                    Because you and kestrel9000 have been buddies.  It's convenient for both of you to blame me for outing kestrel9000's former friend as it makes you less blameworthy. Both of y'all need to learn how to take responsibility for what you do.

                    •  HA (3+ / 0-)
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                      i know I said I was done with you, but I just gotta tell you what a pathetic WATB you look like.
                      I also gotta tell you that you know it, and so do I.

                      I could TR you for lying.

                      I could HR you for being an obsessive-compulsive POS who contributes nothing to Daily Kos except conflict and division, but I'll pass.
                      This time.

                      John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                      by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:23:09 AM PDT

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                    •  tomorrow (1+ / 0-)
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                      I am posting a diary that lists 129 different mistakes/lies that Sarah Palin made in the VP debate.

                      I worked my ass off to prepare it, several hours of MY time, for which I got paid zero.

                      Why?

                      Because I care.

                      This 1 diary in itself is MORE than you will ever do in your lifetime to help democrats.

                      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                      by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:13:34 PM PDT

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                      •  Do you honestly believe that your diary (1+ / 0-)
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                        even if it's as good as you promise will change a single vote?  You're preaching to the choir here, dave, which is prolly why you have gotten away with your act for so long. You make such outrageous claims it's difficult to take you seriously.  That and your pomposity are comical.  And your obsession with the details of Hannity's personal life is bizarre.    

                        •  The Hannity canard (1+ / 0-)
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                          I think I had a good diary today which alludes to this.

                          I've enumerated the purpose and strategy behind what I do.  BTW I've only been in the same room with him 3 times in my life.

                          Oh, and yes my diary will change a single vote, probably more.  (Why - b/c you get info out there for others to use and they change the vote)

                          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                          by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:28:49 PM PDT

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                          •  Um... (1+ / 0-)
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                            BTW I've only been in the same room with him 3 times in my life.

                            Yet you have bragged about knowing his home address and having real "outing" info about his sexual orientation.  Not gonna take the time to link to all of that unless it's necessary but you know I can.  Why would anyone find themselves in the same room with him even once except by accident?  I'm not sure I would even recognize him if her were standing next to me on the subway.  I've just never watched as I've got his number as clearly as I have yours.

                            Oh, and yes my diary will change a single vote, probably more.  (Why - b/c you get info out there for others to use and they change the vote)

                            Who "out there" is gonna read it?  This is just you pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, puffing out your chest and declaring how great you are again.  Getting kinda old.  

                          •  Why (1+ / 0-)
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                            because I get to ask him TOUGH but fair questions he does NOT want asked of him.  It exposes him.  Hat tip to me.  That in and of itself is more than you've done in your lifetime to help elect Democrats.

                            As for Hannity's sexual orientation, it is indeed relevant that a homophobic individual such as Hannity is living a double life.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 02:25:52 PM PDT

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                          •  You asking three tough questions to a RW (1+ / 0-)
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                            bottles

                            mouthpiece was worth more than all the Dem campaigns I've worked for?  That's an interesting take on things.  

                            it is indeed relevant that a homophobic individual such as Hannity is living a double life.

                            In some contexts--yes it is.  The question though is whether we want to use this site to out people, particularly when all we have to go on is your word that you found it somehow.  If you really wanna make your case then provide some evidence.  Hinting that you know a male prostitute who spilled the goods on Hannity is somewhat below the general standard of proof here.  

                          •  the few campaigns (0+ / 0-)

                            that you have been involved in were in areas where the D wins no matter what. In most cases, running de facto unopposed.  And your work, while certainly commendable, didn't influence anything.

                            It is Democrats like you who have given us 8 years of Giuliani and 8 years of Bloomberg in the most Democratic city of America.  It is Democrats like you that is why right wing fossils like Serge Maltese and Frank Padavan still return to the State Senate even though the districts are more than 2-1 Democratic.

                            It's time to go buy that condo in Florida and simply step out of the way.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 03:43:36 PM PDT

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                          •  WTF? (2+ / 1-)
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                            Are you this sloppy in your practice?

                            the few campaigns

                            You have no idea how many I've been involved in.

                            in areas where the D wins no matter what.

                            Like Nassau county, NY state and NY City?  In response to your question about a single thing I did within the last two years I mentioned 1 (one) campaign which fits your description.  You assume that's always the case.  Why?

                            your work, while certainly commendable, didn't influence anything.

                            Never suggested I influenced anything nor that I even tried.  Some of my best work has been done for losing primary candidates and I've never lost to a Pub.  Helping others provides political capital which can be cashed in if necessary.  What have you done to protect NY's lever voting machines, anything at all?

                            It is Democrats like you who have given us 8 years of Giuliani and 8 years of Bloomberg in the most Democratic city of America.

                            Huh?  I'm responsible for Mark Green who I didn't work for and Freddie who I worked against?  A couple more points in 2005 and Bloomberg would have had a contest on his hands.  

                            It is Democrats like you that is why right wing fossils like Serge Maltese and Frank Padavan still return to the State Senate even though the districts are more than 2-1 Democratic.

                            You're just throwing shit out there hoping someone will buy it.  I'm responsible for Padavan?  You obviously don't understand how actual elections are won.  Can't say I'm surprised.

                            It's time to go buy that condo in Florida and simply step out of the way.

                            WTF is that about.  I probably know but I'm giving you the temporary benefit of the doubt.  Have you been drinking?

                          •  HR'd (1+ / 0-)
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                            Pager

                            threadjacking again. fishing for personal info. cut it out, Flawed.

                          •  Me fishing for personal info? (1+ / 0-)
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                            bottles

                            Where?  You are as transparent and dishonest as the rest of them.  

                          •  you don't know me (1+ / 0-)
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                            Pager

                            and you never will -- fact.

                            I don't even know who "the rest of them" are, but I'm glad to know someone else, anyone else, sees through your bullshit.

        •  MajorFlaw definition of abusive HR: (8+ / 0-)

          anytime he gets one.

          John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

          by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:14:38 AM PDT

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          •  Look...the guy probably has 10 gazillion (3+ / 0-)

            mojo in the bank.  Giving him a couple of HR's is just a waste of time.

            Most of the time he's right.

            This time I just think he was a bit mean.  

            Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

            by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:16:33 AM PDT

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            •  I'm not sure he was trying to be mean... (4+ / 0-)

              Quite rough around the edges for sure, but everybody's got a right to their opinions.  I don't agree with the HR's.  I would prefer that everyone see Asher's defense and MajorFlow's "apology."

              "War is a Racket" - MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC(ret)

              by PvtJarHead on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:21:08 AM PDT

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              •  Gotta keep it in context...Asher is a good kid... (13+ / 0-)

                I wish there were more like him.

                Sometimes on this site we tend to judge everyone by the same standards.

                Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

                by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:23:30 AM PDT

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                •  It isn't a matter of judging, David. (3+ / 0-)
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                  Asher has the potential to be a very effective Democrat when he gets older.  But he's still learning.  If all he hears is praise for his efforts he won't know how and where to get better.  He appears able to handle the criticism without his champions. That's a necessary skill and protecting him doesn't really prepare him.  YMMV.

                  •  And pointing out (5+ / 0-)

                    he's too young to drive helps him how?

                    John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                    by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:20:11 AM PDT

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                    •  You appear to believe that you can slip (2+ / 0-)
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                      back and forth between handing out personal attacks and abusive d0nuts, threatening to bully me if I don't get in line and engaging me in rational discussion.  The world doesn't work that way.  

                      •  Pot, meet kettle (4+ / 0-)
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                        Have fun playing the victim.
                        I don't buy it, and apparently, neither does anyone else.
                        And HRs are not abusive simply because you say they are.

                        John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                        by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:35:08 AM PDT

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                        •  Victim? (2+ / 0-)
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                          I'm no kind of victim.  Not on your best day.

                          I don't buy it, and apparently, neither does anyone else.

                          Did someone elect or appoint you spokeshole for this site?  I guess you're gonna earn some street cred from your friends in the new sewer for this.  Public meltdowns aren't fun to watch so it's back to ignore.      

                          •  My life (3+ / 0-)
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                            does not revolve around street cred.
                            Not anymore.
                            I'm sorry if you can't say the same.
                            Got issues?
                            Why not write a diary about them, for something new and unusual?

                            John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                            by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:50:43 AM PDT

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                          •  And this: (4+ / 0-)
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                            Did someone elect or appoint you spokeshole for this site?

                            is just....staggering. I'm running out of pots and kettles.

                            John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                            by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:51:26 AM PDT

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                          •  You've also run out of clues. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Let's see, you make new friend at pff who proceed to stalk and out your friend.  You mishandle the situation so badly that you lose that friend and are abused for your efforts by the pffters.  You launch your crusade against me and announce that you will fight any effort to get Randy or dave nuked and we know how that turned out.  Then you posted a meltdown diary --eventually deleted--at the new sewer declaring your undying devotion to the friend you pissed off, naturally blaming it all on me.  You asked the new pffters not to name that friend and they threw it back in your face, as would be expected.  Now you're a joke at the new sewer as well and your friends there have redoubled their efforts to harass your former friend.  Nice work, you've really been on a roll lately.  I'm supposed to take you seriously exactly why again.  

                          •  I don't care (3+ / 0-)
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                            what you think of me, or how you characterize anything I've done.
                            Even though you distort about two thirds of what you say in your above post, I still don't care.
                            And you ratfucked that man, and you know it, and so do a lot of other  people.
                            I'm done with you today.
                            The last word - worthless as it will surely be - is yours, should you wish it.
                            Go scratch.

                            John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                            by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:08:39 AM PDT

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                          •  Here come the uprating abusers (2+ / 0-)
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                            Musing85 was first.

                            Expect 1-2 more to show up right before comments on it get closed.

                            the fAQs forbid uprates like this.

                            My belief, anyone who uprated this other than the original 2-3 people should be banned along with the person who outed someone's real name and did this to a 14 yr old kid.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:13:48 PM PDT

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                          •  If you will pardon me, (0+ / 0-)

                            can you tell me whether your view of the FAQs here would say that it is appropriate to bring postings and diaries at other sites to this one as evidence for some sort of indictment? My impression (as an admitted legal layperson) would be that that would be unfair, as if it were crossing "state lines." The rules at one site may be quite different from those at another. Those who have the courage or ability to post in more than one jurisdiction surely should not be punished for doing so, should they?

                            By the way, being consistent with my current point of view, I would not and did not hide-rate your original comment - even coming to it as I did via "hidden comments." It is still bad.

                            The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

                            by vox humana on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:31:46 PM PDT

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                  •  Asher is very effective now (6+ / 0-)

                    How about you?

                    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                    by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:59:29 AM PDT

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                    •  How nice. (1+ / 0-)
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                      A contribution from the "no longer able to rate comments crowd."  Now there's an example to look up to.

                      •  hey, after November 4 (3+ / 0-)
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                        You will most likely get your wish.

                        you can then check me out at davefromqueens.com

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:07:25 AM PDT

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                        •  Promises, promises. (2+ / 0-)
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                          You have a habit of saying things and not following through.

                          Linky

                          Linky #2

                          •  Sometimes I reconsider (3+ / 0-)
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                            Indeed I thought of leaving earlier, you are correct and I have backtracked and changed my mind.

                            It's precisely because of a diary like the one I posted on Saturday (126 mistakes) and that I will repost on Monday (updated) that I stay through Nov. 4.

                            Name one person in media that did a better job of deconstructing Palin's debate performance than me?
                            The answer is no one.

                            I have many flaws and many weaknesses but there are certain things I do real well.  It is those contributions that may still be needed between now and Nov. 4 especially since I could pretty much tell you what John McCain is going to be saying in the next 4 weeks and what every commercial of his is going to look like.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:34:50 AM PDT

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                          •  I don't feel any pressing need for you to leave (1+ / 0-)
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                            or get nuked.  Now that you have to defend your work without the misuse of ratings I expect we'll be fine.  I'm sitting here with a full quiver yet I'm able to defend myself without dropping bad d0nuts.  If you recall it was the misuse of ratings which got us started a year ago.  

                            Name one person in media that did a better job of deconstructing Palin's debate performance than me?

                            Tina Fey was great last night.  Not sure I saw that diary of yours but I'll look for the new one.  I honestly hope it's as good as advertised.  

                            I could pretty much tell you what John McCain is going to be saying in the next 4 weeks

                            OK then, how low is he gonna sink?  Now that it's clear the "lack of experience" meme isn't working I expect him to Roverize his message.

                          •  the issue of donuts (3+ / 0-)
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                            click on my name, go to diaries, you can't miss it.

                            as for donuts, I put on my lawyer's hat and that thing called "the appearance of impropriety"

                            should I win the appeal and my HR status restored, you and bottles will NEVER get a donut from me no matter what you type.

                            Consider it like a judge recusing himself or herself from a case.  I look at it from the same lens.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:45:11 AM PDT

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                          •  Should have thought of that before, no? (2+ / 0-)
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                            Consider it like a judge recusing himself or herself from a case.  I look at it from the same lens.

                            Why do you think I never dropped a retaliatory d0nut on you?  Why not just take responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming your current status on some sort of conspiracy between me and one of the site admins.  You are promising not to do it again without taking responsibility for your own actions.  Can you repeat after me, "The five d0nuts I, davefromqueens dropped on MajorFlaw in that  thread were ratings abuse."  It's obviously not up to me but I don't see any recognition that you did this to yourself thus your promise not to do it again is as empty as your promises to leave.

                          •  Doesn't matter (3+ / 0-)
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                            I will be spending the next 40-50 yrs of my life trying to make the world a better place by advancing the causes that the overwhelming majority of people at this site believe in and

                            you will be spending the next 15-20 yrs of your life having the opposite effect regardless of your intent.

                            Do you really think this is my be all and end all?
                            I'm just getting started.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:58:19 AM PDT

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                          •  and it's jealousy too (2+ / 0-)
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                            csquared, indubitably

                            Wherever you've gone, you have had the OPPOSITE effect.  You help Republicans even if your intent is different.

                            And me?  I help elect more and better Democrats.

                            You are clearly jealous of my success (and it's limited and far from over but still a million times more successful in my shorter time than yours in your longer time) and can't come to grips with the fact that you have been an abject failure for several decades of your adult life in the political realm.

                            I'll take one Asher on my side than a million of you.  Live with that.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:37:46 AM PDT

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                          •  Wow, you are impressed with yourself. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Wherever you've gone, you have had the OPPOSITE effect.  You help Republicans even if your intent is different.

                            And me?  I help elect more and better Democrats.

                            More talking points without  shred of supporting evidence.  

                            You are clearly jealous of my success

                            What success?  I don't know what you've done in the real world any more than you know about me.  Less actually.  From what I've seen at this site I don't see where you helped elect a single Dem, let alone better ones.  Remember contracts, dave?  What you are doing is called "puffing."  

                            and can't come to grips with the fact that you have been an abject failure for several decades of your adult life in the political realm.

                            That's very funny.  

                            I'll take one Asher on my side than a million of you.  Live with that.

                            I can do so with no problem as I wouldn't want someone as irresponsible as you on my side.  The question is whether Asher will want to work with you when he's a real player.  Anyone reading this diary and comments will see that he had no problem handling my initial comment.   Gotta be more than a hundred additional comments now with you, kestrel9000, raboof and others taking cheap shots at me.  It's clear who hijacked this diary.  Live with it.

                          •  You are a cancer for Democrats (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila, indubitably

                            And have done more harm to this site than any other user.  If not stopped, you will destroy this site.  You are well on your way to acheiving your mission.

                            After Election Day, the site will have a clear choice to make and I'll certainly be glad to "live with it" either way.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 12:55:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That's kinda harsh. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            musing85, bottles

                            You are a cancer for Democrats

                            You don't know how to do anything other than escalate.  Getting louder and more obstreperous certainly has helped you before.

                            After Election Day, the site will have a clear choice to make and I'll certainly be glad to "live with it" either way.

                            Perfect example which proves my point.  Once again you are not so subtly threatening the owner and admins of this site.  Whether you or I--or both of us--stay here is of little interest or concern to them.  You threatened to leave by the end of September if your ratings ability weren't restored and the admin(s) responsible for neutering you admonished.  Didn't appear to make much of an impression on anyone other than yourself.  But do cry "wolf" again.  

                            If not stopped, you will destroy this site.

                            That's just silly.  You're buying into the new pffters/Today in MajorFlaud line.  This site is gonna be just fine with or without either or both of us.

                          •  First (0+ / 0-)

                            Yes, I make no bones, I leave if you are still here NOv. 6.  There is no threat.

                            As for your last paragraph, I genuinely hope this site prospers and continues to grow.  It just won't if what you did to Asher today keeps happening.  

                            Now as for the Political Flesh Feast, yes I did read some of that parody stuff about you.  It is poorly written though, writing style needs work.  Definitely not a lawyer.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:24:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Second. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            musing85, bottles

                            Yes, I make no bones, I leave if you are still here NOv. 6.

                            The goalposts keep moving.  Weren't you gonna leave by Oct 1 the last time.

                            There is no threat.

                            Of course it's a threat.  Not one anyone will care about but it's definitely a threat.

                            Definitely not a lawyer.

                            Correct, it is written by an accountant.  Some of it is kinda funny although he needs to call 1-800-New-Material.  I try not to miss an episode but it's getting a bit redundant.  

                          •  I moved the goalposts to Nov. 6 (0+ / 0-)

                            because I am here to help elect Democrats and probably will have some valuable insights to contribute in that regard.

                            Indeed I did change my mind.  You can call it a flip flop.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 02:29:32 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nah, that wouldn't be accurate. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            musing85, bottles

                            More like a failure to keep your word--a/k/a lying--than a flip flop.  Which is why your current demand and deadline ring hollow.  

                          •  You arrogant S.O.B.!!!! (0+ / 0-)

                            Your 'Major Flaw' is your conceit and indifference to real world politics. You are like Sara Palin in her debate pereformance.

                            How dare you say of Asher

                            "The question is whether Asher will want to work with you when he's a real player."

                            Like you a real player in the sandbox while that young man is moving  real voters in real time.

                            To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                            by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:22:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  you sound like slouise217 (4+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            kestrel9000, Pager, Pete Rock, vox humana

                            NB: I'm not making an accusation of anything but the similarities in tactics are plain as day.

                            1. select targets to pick on.
                            1. arrange back-up.
                            1. refuse to operate on a level playing field; state or imply support of admins and use this to threaten others and silence them.
                            1. play victim when called on it.

                            I try my best to ignore you but picking on a kid? wtf is wrong with you? just leave him alone if the idea of a young person doing something positive and patriotic is so repellant to you. this, Flawed, is a sad commentary on you -- not him.

                          •  and the threat, implied or otherwise (0+ / 0-)

                            about getting people's ratings privileges revoked. this is another of your own fax? or did you learn it from slEEz?

                      •  Again (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        csquared, indubitably

                        I have done a million times more to help Obama and Democrats this year than you have.  We've covered this ground already counselor.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:32:13 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Not to belabor the point but.... (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          bottles

                          I have done a million times more to help Obama and Democrats this year than you have.

                          saying it's so doesn't make it so.  

                          •  I have to congratulate you (4+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila, kestrel9000, csquared, indubitably

                            The comment above where you have received 8 troll ratings thus far (there could be more) is the

                            ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTIETH COMMENT of yours in which you have received at least 1 troll rating.

                            Is that a record here?

                            Thus can I now say

                            Major flaw holds the dailykos record for most separate comments that he has received a troll rating with 120.  Will his next comment be 121?

                            Think about that.  ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEPARATE COMMENTS.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:39:41 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um dave.... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            bottles

                            How many of them were from you?  You probably hold the record for the most bad d0nuts dropped by a kossack.  (If it isn't you it would be Randy)  Pointing out how many comments of mine have received at least one d0nut is an indirect way of taking credit for your own handiwork.  Anyone who wishes can check.

                          •  that's a fair comment (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            csquared, indubitably

                            Eliminate all comments where I was the only donut and see what the number is.

                            That's a good research project for you.

                            Then we'll use that new number.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:15:28 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Why don't we just compare hidden comments? (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            bottles

                            How many of your comments has the community moderation system hidden vs. how many of mine?  

                          •  1 (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            csquared, indubitably

                            but you have several people working in a group who uprate your comments out of troll alley.

                            You've had about 25 comments in troll alley at one point.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:29:48 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um dave... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            musing85, bottles

                            You've had about 25 comments in troll alley at one point.

                            I've also had objections overruled yet won the trial.  Being temporarily in troll alley isn't the same as having a comment hidden.  The day you lost your ability to rate comments you, Randy, kestrel9000 and raboof temporarily hid five of my comments. That's more a reflection on you than me.

                            you have several people working in a group who uprate your comments out of troll alley.

                            I don't have anything.  Not sure you wanna use that one anyway as you're working with the king of organized responses.  As soon as I saw kestrel9000 involved I knew who else would show up.  

                            Not sure what the "1" is about.  Certainly you've had more than one and the one I had was taken for the team--which you already knew or you would have brought it up regularly.  

                          •  Twelve comments of mine where you were the (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            bottles

                            only person at this site of >180K who believed it d0nut worthy.  Amazing your ratingabilityectomy took so long.

                          •  so we'll use the number 108 (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Pete Rock, indubitably

                            Users other than me have felt, on 108 different occasions/comments, that you warranted a TU

                            I think you hold the record here.

                            Again, people like Asher, myself, and others actually want to help elect Democrats.

                            You are an obstacle to helping to elect Democrats

                            You've failed your entire life.  I don't see you starting to succeed now.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:59:26 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nope again. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            bottles

                            108 Users other than me have felt, on 108 different occasions/comments, that you warranted a TU

                            Approx twenty of them were single d0nuts dropped by Randy, perhaps more. Pete Rock admitted elsewhere in this thread (?) that one of his single d0nuts on me was a mistake.  Several of them were retaliatory d0nuts from since nuked trolls and many were from the usual suspects.  It's easy to pick up undeserved d0nuts.  That's why the formula for hiding comments is what it is.  

                            You've failed your entire life.

                            That's just a talking point, dave.  You keep throwing shit like that out there hoping it will stick but it doesn't.  I'd suggest you stick with drafting documents and doing closings as the attention to detail that trial work requires isn't your strength.

                          •  Attention to detail? (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila, indubitably

                            I think you've been exposed.

                            What you did with Asher today was totally, 100% despicable and disgusting.

                            It's just the latest in a long line of your transgressions.

                            Again, your entire political life has been one of failure.  Bottom line is I help Democrats, you hurt Democrats.  

                            Out of comity I won't comment on the specifics of your professional life b/c that's going into an area that would violate how I read the rules.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 12:53:52 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            bottles

                            What you did with Asher today was totally, 100% despicable and disgusting.

                            Asking him how he was helping voters get to the polls and telling him that his frequent mention of his personal fundraising goal is off putting is "despicable and disgusting"?  He had no problem handling it and learning how to deal with criticism is necessary if he's gonna get involved in the rough and tumbe of RW politics.  Your ass is showing.

                            Out of comity I won't comment on the specifics of your professional life

                            You know nothing about my professional life.  Not sure where you think you're headed with that.  All these unconditional declarations about me being a failure imply that you know something but you do not.  

                            Bottom line is I help Democrats, you hurt Democrats.  

                            Keep repeating that talking point, dave.  Maybe someone will believe you.  

                          •   Nice ? better than your attempt at sarcasm (0+ / 0-)

                            BTW about the dOnuts  ...Just one was a mistake. I am sure the others are warranted, especially since this performance.+ Yours upthread now lies among the hiddens in spite of uprates.

                            Congratulations.

                            Diary hijack...spend more time trying to "score" points than do constructive work for democrats.

                            Glad to see you have your priorities straight, MF.

                            real showcase here in the comments for the best and the worst on this site.  Obscenity and meta overlayering a pretty good diary.  You must be really proud.

                            To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                            by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 05:55:21 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  well the diary he hijacked on friday (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila

                            with similar type stunts and after Flaw posted the first comment trying to discourage the diarist actually made the rec list.

                            So Flaw managed to hijack two diaries over the weekend where

                            1.  the first made the rec list after Flaw wanted it deleted and
                            1.  bullying a 14 yr old kid.  It is clear from the initial comment that Flaw was trying to discourage the kid.  He bashed him for raising money for Obama.  As a result I went to Asher's page and donated $35 to Obama to help Asher get to $5000.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:17:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  double congratulations (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila, kestrel9000, indubitably

                            saying it's so doesn't make it so.

                            Perhaps the smartest thing you've ever typed here.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:42:56 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Of course it's smart (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Avila, csquared, indubitably

                            He stole it from me.

                            John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

                            by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:45:10 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  I'm also a teacher (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        kestrel9000

                        You may have heard of Stuyvesant.  In fact, some of my former students will be walking the halls tomorrow and Tuesday and Wednesday.

                        And as a teacher, anyone, even an adult, who starts bullying kids, is going to here from it from me.

                        Quick story - I worked in a charter school a long time ago.  The PTA mom came into my class and started berating a kid.  After school I went up to her and told her she had no right to do that and don't ever come into my classroom to do that to someone else's child.

                        It was May of that year and adm. made my last month difficult but I didn't care.

                        Oh, when I walked into the cafeteria the next day, I saw 20 kids sitting like angels hands folded. (Yes I found it odd).  I walked into the classroom, all 20 of them stood up and started clapping.  The first moment I got I went to the bathroom and started crying, tears flowing from my eyes.  

                        Bottom line, you can try bullying me in life (won't get you far) but when you bully a 14 yr old, you will have to go through me first.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:18:29 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

              •  I am sure (7+ / 0-)

                he'she sounds like a grumpy old white dude, jealous of all the attention the new kid (14 years old) is getting.

                He/she insulted the kid's effort and motive.

                You can't take back a post. All he/she could do at this point is apologize, but he/she doesn't have the largeness of mind or the lack of arrogance to do it.

                Deserves far more HR's to counter those "gazillions" of mojo.  Who cares? This idiot attacks Asher, an Obama supporter out of petulance and he gets uprated for it?

                To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:30:48 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  He did apologize...sheesh...enough. (0+ / 0-)

                  Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

                  by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:39:00 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I did not apologize. (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    trashablanca, PvtJarHead

                    I wanted some details about how he was gonna help get people to the polls and he provided them.  I'm also not withdrawing my suggestion that he should focus on our shared goal of winning this election rather than his personal fundraising goals.  

                    Apparently this is revenge day for a few patriots.  Pete Rock has a track record for dropping  bad d0nuts.

                    •  .You are not a real cop, you play one on Kos (4+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      Avila, housesella, kestrel9000, csquared

                      "

                      I did not apologize

                      ."

                      You are such a smart fellow, you can't even accept the decency of a fellow Kossack like David without dumping on his gesture of civility.

                      Except for the effort to make Asher's thread all about your "CLEVERNESS" and criticism this is a pretty good diary.

                      And if you DID apologize, you might get the donuts lifted, but heck you are never wrong and have all the answers. enjoy your food fight.

                      To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                      by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:34:06 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Watch the uprating abuse (3+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        raboof, kestrel9000, Pete Rock

                        almost 12 hrs after Flaw's comment there were 2 recs and 11 TRs.

                        Now Flaw has emailed his buddies to come in and uprate the comment when he thinks no one is looking.

                        Musing85 is first.

                        There are 9 other people and you can bet everything you own that 1 or 2 more will uprate him prior to 9:34 tomorrow morning.

                        I know which names but I'll wait til they show up.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:16:04 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Hail hail,the gang is all here! (0+ / 0-)

                          Michael is the guy who gave me my first troll rate  years ago for my daring to contradict him (my first or second day on the site of posting comments).

                          You are right dave, there are some whose mission it is to "clean souls and get everybody in line". And drive people away regardless. It's a game for them.

                          Shame this hijack of a nice diary in the comments goes on, but the consolation is what it self-reveals about certain "supporters" of Dems. What they really like to do more than anything else. It is time for recipes and weather reports. But that won't work with this wrecking crew.

                          Some things never change with some people...

                          zeal for inflicting punishment, having to have an authoritarian model, obsessed with control...
                          what site are we on again?

                          To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                          by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:44:58 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Here they come (0+ / 0-)

                            Trashablanca should be banned too simply for uprating this in my opinion.  It's against the FAQs

                            Clearly he got the email.

                            Now it's 4-12 which means it is out of troll alley.

                            If there's a 13th troll rating, one of the other 8 people (musing85 and trashablanca are 2 of the crew) will come in and uprate.

                            MajorFlaw has had about 25-30 comments in troll alley at one point or another. Then he emails the group of so called troll hunters and they abuse the system by uprating them.

                            Musing85, bottles, and trashablanca should not have rating privileges.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:26:44 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You lie (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            trashablanca, bottles

                            As usual.

                            I don't even know MajorFlaw's e-mail address. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't know mine. I certainly can't claim ever to have received an e-mail from him.

                          •  Thats a lie (0+ / 0-)

                            since it's posted on his page that you uprated.

                            Sorry but I think most people at this site are tired of your Stalinist tactics.

                            You are a group of trolls.  You proved it with your uprate of that comment although there is a long history of supporting evidence.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:22:32 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

                            What is posted on what page?

                            There's definitely a troll in this conversation. It isn't me.

                          •  yep that line of attack will work (0+ / 0-)

                            Anybody who disagrees with you is a troll.

                            you need a new broken record.

                            You uprated MajorFlaw's vicious attack on a 14 yr old, you own the behavior.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 12:24:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  They are poison for democrats, poison for Kos (0+ / 0-)

                            They are doing irreparable harm to this site.

                            They are Cheneyesque.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:28:03 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                    •  FYI, that was a uprate of your comment that end (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      kestrel9000

                      ed up somehow a TR. I didn't realize that ended up a TR. My keyboard mistake. I thought it was a support for your comment, now that I have a chance to review it.

                      Thanks for the link. First time I have looked back at that.

                      To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

                      by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:40:04 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

        •  I save my HR's for people who use words like... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          PvtJarHead

          "messiah" and "kool-aid"

          Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

          by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:15:06 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  That's your major Flaw! thanks ROFL (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Avila, Lady Kestrel, csquared

          I don't believe that unconditional approval makes people better.

          That's for sure,you betcha!

          To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

          by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:25:03 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Pete... (0+ / 0-)

            No need to pile on.  Too much of that around here.

            Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

            by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:31:03 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  This is becoming a diary hijack (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              csquared

              Asher's achievement is becoming dumped on. Damn right it is a pile on, A DESERVED pile on.

              How about defending Asher instead of quibbling about the correct number of HR's for MF?

              To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

              by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:34:41 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Read all my comments in this diary... (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                trashablanca, LynneK

                including the first one.  Then tell me that I haven't defended Asher.  

                Major Flaw said something harsh, and it's pretty clear he realized it, yet you decided to keep attacking him.  Your comment wasn't necessary.

                Somewhere...Abraham Lincoln is smiling.

                by David Kroning on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:36:54 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  you are wrong (0+ / 0-)

                  This thread should be hidden and the 2 people who uprated late in the game

                  musing85 and trashablanca

                  are a disgrace to this site.

                  Flaw's initial commment was disgusting and despicable.  Nevertheless, you tried to give him the way out and suggest that he apologize.

                  Flaw made it clear that he "did not apologize"

                  Thus he owns this thread.

                  Majorflaw is here to disrupt and incite, to try and drive Democrats away from this site.  This thread is clear proof of this.  Either he's banned by Nov. 6 (hopefully sooner like today) or watch hundreds of people if not thousands of people take their business elsewhere.  (Huffington Post, crooks and liars, raw story, newshounds, heck my entire blogroll and about 50 other sites)

                  I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                  by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:34:50 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  maybe he doesn't need your approval, Flawed (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Pete Rock

          ever think that there might just be enough negativity and discouragement in real life (do you even comprehend what real life is?) that he came here to talk with like-minded people and wasn't seeking your sanctimonious bitchass naysaying? do not discourage this young person or any other from civic participation. you don't need to pick his motives apart because you're a miserable stalking misfit. leave him alone, pendejo.

    •  I am really neginning to wonder about your (19+ / 0-)

      major flaw.  Go crap in somebody else's diary you jerk.  This kid deserves praise and encouragement not harassment.

      "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

      Iraq Moratorium

      by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:58:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  HR'ed for dickishness. (14+ / 0-)

      "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

      Iraq Moratorium

      by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:59:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  For fuck's sake. (8+ / 0-)

      Must you be an asshole everywhere you go? Why don't you give it a fucking rest?
      Go scratch.

      John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

      by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:02:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  uprating...sorry but this is not an HR-worthy (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      mattman, MajorFlaw, PvtJarHead, bottles

      comment - you are not supposed to HR just because you disagree

      "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

      by Pandoras Box on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:08:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It wasn't hRed for disagreement (9+ / 0-)

        It was HRed for incivility and unneccessary nastiness.
        Which is a Major Character Flaw with that individual.

        John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

        by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:11:38 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  It's not a matter of disagreement... (7+ / 0-)

        and I cannot imagine what gave you the idea that it was.  His comment was rude, thoughtless and unnecessary...as is your uprate.  Must be two of a kind.

        "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

        Iraq Moratorium

        by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:15:15 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  the reason i didnt hr (10+ / 0-)

          is because the one boneheaded comment created a lot of reactionary support for asher, and i think it's important for him and any readers like him who dont post to know that that kind of support is available.

          many fear to stick their neck out.  we all know asher is brave, but maybe seeing that he does have detractors, but that many others will support him, could help bring more people forward.

          but i'm with you in spirit, opol.  

        •  for pete's sake, OPOL (7+ / 0-)

          I didn't say MajorFlaw was some kind of humanitarian and I didn't engage in an ad hominem attack but YOU just did...

          There are LOTS of cranky people here, and we only have 5 HRs a day...ill-tempered just doesn't warrant an HR in my view.

          Personally, I think the point about how was a 14 yr old going to help get people to the polls was well taken, and actually gave asher an opportunity to explain exactly how he intends to help.  Which is great - and perhaps others his age will see that there is something they can do.

          If MajorFlaw has been making HR-worthy comments elsewhere - fine - point them out to me.  

          "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

          by Pandoras Box on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:27:39 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Thank you , Pandora , for turning light on in the (3+ / 0-)
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            box for a minute.

          •  I repeat... (5+ / 0-)
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            His comment was rude, thoughtless and unnecessary.

            The point about how Asher was going to do it could have been made without being such a dick.

            That he would be so rude to a 14-year-old who is obviously trying to do the right thing pisses me off.  I think it's despicable.  I won't speculate about why you can't see that.  That's your problem.

            "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

            Iraq Moratorium

            by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:54:46 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Major Flaw is a self appointed cop (11+ / 0-)

            Who gets his jollies from doing what HE considers to be community moderation, iow, busting peoples chops for any minor offense he can find. And usually hijacking the diary, as he has done on innumerable occasions.

            The OTHER part of community moderation is folks policing the people who think they are police. Especially the ones who have little or no other contributions to the site aside from imposing their will and their version of community moderation on other posters. As is the case with Flaw, who seem to exist and participate for this reason alone. When Flaw goes over the line, (which he does fairly often) the community needs to call HIM on it. To moderate him. Especially since it seems to be more for his own twisted authoritarian enjoyment than an actual service to the community. (see: hijacking diaries)

            Oddly enough, he doesn't seem to enjoy being "moderated" any more than his victims do, even though he is obviously a proponent of moderation. Which is to say, he doesn't like to get his chops busted either, but still persists in busting others.

            Just as with the real police, the kos cops need to be accountable as well, and just as with 'hide on site' trolls, his record is very pertinent. And not very good, imo.

            •  thank you for your insight (4+ / 0-)

              "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

              by Pandoras Box on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:26:08 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  hi , buhdydharma , not a reply about specific (6+ / 0-)

              person you mention , but more general. Recently my enjoyment of DKos has plummeted because of the general mindset you are referring to. I have felt kicked by a few people who are deadset cookie cutter conformity demanders , authoritarian chopbusters who really freak me by probably actually believing they are "progressives".
              Almost always seems like when I have failed to live up to one of them's rigorous standards , a swarm of clones appears to insist in hivevoice "Be Like Us. Be Like Us. Be like Us." It is disheartening and dismaying. To peace , love , and understanding , and punch 'em in the nose if they won't let you enjoy it should you wish to.

              •  and that's the purpose of the Major (5+ / 0-)

                To drive people away from the site by destroying the enjoyment level, by discouraging like he did with Asher.

                And sometime after Nov. 4 but before Thanksgiving, I'm out of here unless this problem gets addressed.

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:04:41 AM PDT

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                •  dave , I'm really bummed by this . Lots of the (1+ / 0-)
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                  time the slammer is someone I've never seen on the site or on a particular diary series or another before , and the remarks although gutterlike are made in sniffy , stilted "Better Than Thou" language to make sure I or whoever knows we are being put in our place by someone of obvious superiority. WTF? BIG uptick in this , my view , in last two weeks and this past week has about got me just reading newspapers online again. Does this sound familiar??

                  •  They will have to ban him or not ban him. (2+ / 0-)
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                    Again, I'll make no bones about this.

                    I will have nothing to do with this site beyond 48 hrs after Election Day if MajorFlaw is allowed to speak for this site as of Nov. 6, 2008.

                    And I don't think I'll be alone and I have certain members in the media that I've spoken to about this who are going to be watching what happens.

                    They are aware of MajorFlaw's behavior.  Either DailyKos owns it or doesn't own it.  But that decision should not be made until after the Election.  We'll know Nov. 6, 2008.

                    What he did today with Asher was disgusting, purely disgusting.  I also saw he hijacked a threat to ask that a diary be pulled and it ended up on the rec list.  Dozens of people called him out on that too.

                    He has done this hundreds of times.  Again, either DK owns him or doesn't own him.  There is no in between.

                    What he did with Asher today should be bannable in and of itself.

                    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                    by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:07:10 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  What exactly is this ABOUT? (2+ / 0-)
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                      I don't understand what the fight is over.

                      "We're half awake in a fake empire."

                      by Alec82 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:19:13 PM PDT

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                      •  start upthread (1+ / 0-)
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                        In addition to outing people's real names on prior occasions, Major Flaw saw it fit to try and bully and intimidate a 14 year old for no freaking reason.

                        Flaw knocks his attempts to help get senior citizens to the polls and Flaw knocks his fundraising efforts.

                        Absolutely one of the most despicable posts I've ever seen here, classic Major Flaw though.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:26:13 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Well that is what I had a question about.... (1+ / 0-)
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                          This revealing of realtime names.  And this history that has developed....trollrating, etc.  Those of us who are relatively new need to be brought up to speed.  The idea of revealing someone's real identity is pretty serious for posters who have chosen anonymity.  I find it hard to believe that Markos would tolerate that.  

                          "We're half awake in a fake empire."

                          by Alec82 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:30:47 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  It happened (0+ / 0-)

                            Which is why the question has been asked previously as to whether or not that kind of behavior speaks for the site.  It's a question that needs answering by Nov. 6, 2008

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 02:27:52 PM PDT

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                          •  Correct: (2+ / 0-)
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                            I find it hard to believe that Markos would tolerate that.  

                            Of course he wouldn't.  Ask daveto link to the comments where I

                            out(ed) people's real names on prior occasions

                            dave has a habit of twisting things, omitting details and just plain making shit up.  I believe it started right here and escalated from there.  dave is particularly angry at the moment because helost his ability to rate comments as a result of the abusive d0nuts he dropped here.  Take a look at my comments ranked by troll ratings.  Notice how many of them were dropped by dave.  This has become a crusade for him and he has announced that if I'm  not gone by election day he will leave.  There's a long history here and much of it is ugly.

                          •  after election day (0+ / 0-)

                            48 hrs after.

                            in the meantime, it's not an issue.

                            BTW I just donated 35 dollars to Obama through Asher.

                            Would you like to match?

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 02:38:45 PM PDT

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                          •  Nah. (1+ / 0-)
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                            I'm not real keen on personal public fundraising goals.  Kinda reminds me of this doofus at Skadden Arps who somehow added me to his list.  Always trying to take credit for other people's money.  $4735 raised is a hell of an accomplishment for a high school kid.  Whether he makes his number isn't important in the grand scheme of things.  Learning how to accept almost complete victory and recognizing that talking about his personal goals isn't meaningful for most folks is.  My personal contribs are made in ways that benefit me or someone I particularly want to help.  

                          •  and there's the big difference btw us (3+ / 0-)
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                            In your own words toward the end.

                            First, him talking about his personal goals IS meaningful.  If you felt it wasn't, you could have avoided the diary.  

                            Every time he solicits money he's talking about politics.  It builds networks, friends, and yes the amount probably is a local news story in his hometown paper.  If not, it will be.

                            Now here's the clincher.

                            My personal contribs are made in ways that benefit me or someone I particularly want to help.

                            Yep, that is you.  You simply don't care.  did you pluck those words from Sarah Palin's brain because that is EXACTLY what she believes govt is about.

                            Me, I HAVE and will CONTINUE to, make contributions that benefit OTHERS even if they do NOT benefit me.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 03:18:53 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um.... (2+ / 0-)
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                            him talking about his personal goals IS meaningful.

                            To him maybe but many of us know people who also have fundraising goals.  Why should the rest of us care whether the diarist or that lawyer at Skadden make their numbers?

                            Every time he solicits money he's talking about politics.

                            That's just not true.  I'm not gonna start taking shots at him but some of his fundraiser diaries were almost completely about himself.  You have this unfortunate habit of saying things without any regard for whether they are true.

                            the amount probably is a local news story in his hometown paper.  If not, it will be.

                            No argument there.  This diarist is a fine self promoter, remarkable for his age.  But he isn't always gonna be 14 and is gonna have to learn how to present his goals in ways which are meaningful to others.  

                            Yep, that is you.  You simply don't care.

                            That's an odd conclusion to draw.  I can donate in ways which benefit people I know or which benefit the Skadden lawyer and this diarist who are strangers to me.  I wish them well but I'm taking care of my own friends, thank you.

                            did you pluck those words from Sarah Palin's brain because that is EXACTLY what she believes govt is about.

                            Lame.

                            I HAVE and will CONTINUE to, make contributions that benefit OTHERS even if they do NOT benefit me.

                            IOW you will continue to treat your friends no better than you treat a stranger.  Good to know.

                          •  others (0+ / 0-)

                            can include friends or strangers

                            Others can include the Democratic Party, progressives, liberals, and spined Democratic moderates.

                            You have the same mentality as Sarah Palin.  You see govt as a goodies box to reward your friends and punish your perceived enemies.  You think of yourself and yourself only and not the greater good.

                            Again this is a huge philosophical difference between us.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:27:37 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  response (0+ / 0-)

                            To him maybe but many of us know people who also have fundraising goals.  Why should the rest of us care whether the diarist or that lawyer at Skadden make their numbers?

                            No one says you have to care.  But when you try to discourage him and dampen his enthusiasm, I care as do others.

                            That's just not true.  I'm not gonna start taking shots at him but some of his fundraiser diaries were almost completely about himself.  You have this unfortunate habit of saying things without any regard for whether they are true.

                            So what if they were about himself?  He's 14.  As for your last sentence, just b/c you say so doesn't make it so.

                            No argument there.  This diarist is a fine self promoter, remarkable for his age.  But he isn't always gonna be 14 and is gonna have to learn how to present his goals in ways which are meaningful to others.

                            And you are now the decider?

                            That's an odd conclusion to draw.  I can donate in ways which benefit people I know or which benefit the Skadden lawyer and this diarist who are strangers to me.  I wish them well but I'm taking care of my own friends, thank you.

                            Must not be hard to do.  Are there any left?

                            Lame.

                            Good lawyer tactic.  Can't address the topic, engage in an ad hominem.

                            IOW you will continue to treat your friends no better than you treat a stranger.  Good to know.

                            You are confused.  I said others.  Others is anyone but me.  What you revealed is why YOU have been an abject failure your entire life in virtually everything you've ever done.  I know it makes you jealous but perhaps your time has passed and you should look forward to new hobbies like shuffleboard.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:41:53 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh you failed but I succeed (0+ / 0-)

                            you were a huge advocate for keeping NY's lever machines. In 2009 they all get replaced. How did you manage that?  Again, everything you touch people turn 180 on you.  A political failure your entire life.

                            Now let's see Dave's history.

                            1.  Dave lived in a town on Long Island.  Town controlled by Republicans.  Dave helps local Democratic party.  Local Democratic party takes over Town board and controls it to this day.
                            1.  Dave works through someone (actually 2 people, 1 is a former Republican turned Democrat) who is very instrumental in Crookhaven, where Dave grew up, to overtake a true republican machine.  Dave helps behind scenes to find the right people.  Dems take over. (This won't last forever)
                            1.  Dave volunteers for congressman in danger of losing seat.  Congressman wins.
                            1.  Dave volunteers for Democratic challenger.  Challenger upsets Republican.
                            1.  Dave gets many LTES in Newsday published that rip apart the Republican Nassau County machine.  What I say, whether I inspired it or not, becomes the talking points later used by Dems.  Dems knock off GOP machine for only 2nd time in 100 years.
                            1.  Dave tries helping Ned Lamont in Ct with Bushman stunts.  Unsuccessful in end.  Wish they'd listen to me when I told them that the turncoat ad sucked, that they should run ads linking Coulter to Lieberman, and that Ned should not go on vacation August 9th.  However the results of what I tried to do didn't work in November.
                            1.  Dave confronts right wingers here, there and everywhere from Gingrich, Promise Keepers, Jesse Helms, Ken Blackwell, Bob Novak, Al D'Amato, a Frank Luntz "focus group" (this is a funny story), Giuliani, Pataki, and plenty others.
                            1.  Oh have to mention D'Amato.  It was Dave who got word out on Long Island that D'Amato voted for a 10 cent a gallon tax increase while grandstanding against a 4.3 cent a gallon tax increase.  Oh D'Amato lost in 1998 and the hypocrisy on the gas tax was a big reason why.

                            And yes, Dave provides solid language and solid talking points that millions of other Democrats can use.  Dave calls talk show hosts to promote these phrases.  Dave uses humor and street theater to get across a deeper point without the harshness of politics.  Sometimes a laugh with a message does the trick.  Dave has called in many radio shows and said that Dems should be campaigning by saying that "We will capture and kill Osama Bin Laden" while ripping apart the GOP for ignoring him.  My exposing of Hannity works.  My going to a McCain town hall worked.  Why?  I put on the bootstraps and hit the streets while you sit behind a computer attacking a 14 yr old kid and trying to dampen his hopes and dampen his inspiration.

                            Oh and I, not publicly, am supporting a challenger in a certain race (against a R) behind the scenes.  And my challenger will knock out the republican incumbent, mark my words. (I can't say which race, you'll just have to respect this.)

                            And yes I have an 800 page book of IDEAS (in novel form) for progressives for the future that I plan to publish.  

                            This is why I've done millions of times more to help Democrats in fewer years on this earth than you have in your entire lifetime.

                            LIve with that.  I know you are jealous big time.  Oh, and I don't mind sounding arrogant and full of myself in this one post given the subject I'm responding too.  It's usually not my nature but I'm quite capable of being tough.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:06:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Perhaps because (0+ / 0-)

                            we are talking about (or were talking about) a fourteen-year-old. I have two fourteen-year-olds in my household. Do you have any idea how amazing this person's political involvement is? I worry that in fact you do. A fourteen-year-old is a "self-promoter?" How many fourteen-year-olds have such a sense of self that they could "promote" it? Very telling.

                            You seem to think that a few words of wisdom will age someone ten years. I hope he is still waiting for those words of wisdom, because in this diary he has worked for positive beliefs. Perhaps the words of wisdom are flowing in a different direction?

                            The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

                            by vox humana on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:53:52 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  THAT'S what was meant by revealing someone's.... (3+ / 0-)
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                            ...real identity? Linking to a diary where they voluntarily provided it?

                            This all seems whack to me.

                            "We're half awake in a fake empire."

                            by Alec82 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 03:22:44 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  He has also accused me of outing him by (3+ / 0-)
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                            linking to his previous, banned account.  Now if he really wanted to protect his internets anonymity wouldn't he have chosen a UN a little less similar?  Still don't know what he did to get himself nuked that time but I see why he would want to avoid it.  

                          •  Who says he got nuked? (1+ / 0-)
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                            You have a couple of very dear friends that chronically uprate you at this site and they are on their second or third UID. Did they get nuked? Or did they ask Admin to shut down their account so they could start fresh?

                            You should be more careful with your allegations, Flaw.

                            What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

                            by Pager on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:24:07 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Howz about providing links to the three times (2+ / 0-)
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                            you saw me out someone here?  Not gonna bother with you until you correct that lie.

                          •  No, I don't think so (0+ / 0-)

                            because I'm not interested in outing these people. That's your territory, not mine. And no, it isn't a lie. Enough of us have read the links and the comments to know that you have no reservations about outing users that have been banned here and can no longer defend themselves. Oh, and I guess you have no reservations about outing one of your friends and blaming it on the Pff crowd and Kestrel.

                            And yes, I read the comment where you outed your pal, buddy. I have a long memory and you are a fucking liar and I have no respect for liars.

                            There is nothing you can do, at this point, to redeem yourself in my eyes. You are a liar and a troll. You have become what you despised.

                            Please don't bother with me. I'd be thrilled if you just stuck to stalking dfq.

                            What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

                            by Pager on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 06:52:44 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  and if i linked to bottles 2 previous accounts (1+ / 0-)
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                            which I won't, he would be urging that I be banned.

                            Of course I could do something like this

                            Are you talking about bottles previous nics such as this one and this one?  (and provide a link to the this's)

                            Once again, Flaw has posted something that by HIS standards is bannable.

                            So now that's 3 things Flaw should be banned for.

                            1.  outing someone's real name. (doesn't matter if someone posted the comment first several months earlier
                            1.  HIs behavior toward Asher in this diary
                            1.  Linking to someone's previous name without an administrator's permission after acknolwedging it's wrong to do so.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:30:18 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  oh this was clever (0+ / 0-)

                            so he just outs a previous account again

                            And yes going back several months to an obscure comment and relinking it with someone's name is outing a member.

                            Again the question is, "Does Flaw's behavior of outing someone and now this behavior speak for DK?"

                            I know it doesn't speak for the overwhelming majority of users here who are busting their humps to try and elect Democrats.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:25:31 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                    •  Flawed speaks for this site? (1+ / 0-)
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                      holy God. how did that happen?

                      •  Somebody was protecting him (2+ / 0-)
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                        but that protection needs to end.

                        Either they ban him or don't.

                        Either outing people's real names and bullying 14 yr old kids speaks for this site or it does not.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:24:38 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

            •  That's about as well as I've seen it said. (5+ / 0-)

              To me, he's a chickenshit little bully that hidesbehind the FAQ and uses it as a hunting license.
              This behavior on his part is the lion's share of his contribution to the site.

              When Flaw goes over the line, (which he does fairly often) the community needs to call HIM on it. To moderate him. Especially since it seems to be more for his own twisted authoritarian enjoyment than an actual service to the community. (see: hijacking diaries)

              Exactly. And there's no need to really monitor him. It can be 100% ad hoc. He shows up, and shows out, anyway.
              He can't help himself.
              There's some men you just can't reach. And so you get what we had here (today).Which is the way he wants it. Well....he gets it.
              And I don't like it any more than you men.
              </strothermartin>

              John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.

              by kestrel9000 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:00:18 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  See above (2+ / 0-)
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                I would also add that regardless of his intent, the bottom line is that as a Democrat, I disown him.  He does not speak for my party.

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:08:31 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

            •  His shit has to be stood up too (0+ / 0-)

              He went way too far with his attack on Asher and this thread as have musing85, trashablanca and bottles.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:23:33 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  Your uprate is inappropriate (6+ / 0-)

        My suggestion, and it is your call entirely, would be to remove it.

        I would suggest looking at the FAQs as Flaw advises as to when to uprate a comment.

        You seem like a good Kossack and I wouldn't want to be associated with what Flaw did here.

        To try to dissuade a 14 yr old kid like this is despicable.

        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

        by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:15:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Cogratulations Asher for your initiative! (12+ / 0-)

      When I was in high school,we got a "bunk" day once a year. There were picnics, a bus ride to the beach, a general goof off and good time.

       I don't remember one day on Election day where the students took an active interest in,or helped during the day.

      We were encouraged to be passive, even to the extent of holding the election on a workday, a Tuesday, and having voting machines in the school basement. we went about attending class as if the day was nothing special.

      You know it is. You are communicating that to your peers, to shaming older  low info adults, maybe you are registering 18 year olds at your own school  so they can vote, heck it is all good!

      If I were in the school with you I would definitely take the day off from rote attendance as a urgent work day as a vital effort to grasp your own future.

      Are you going to read a history textbook and take a "pop" quiz, or are you going to MAKE IT???

       I wish that hundreds of thousands no, millions of students vote, and go out and volunteer this November 4th. Regardless if they have "permission" from the their principals or not. That is so secondary to what is at stake.

       If farmers got the extended summer holiday because it was "convenient" to use the youngsters on the farm, why can't America have a school holiday to teach a civics lesson?

       Good on you and you are a success already, even if a few grumps around here are jealous you have more initiative and passion then they do.

      To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

      by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:21:42 AM PDT

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    •  How about.... (7+ / 0-)

       You shut up and leave the kid alone. Quite frankly,your bs is what is getting old!

    •  Disgraceful comment (7+ / 0-)

      The kid here is great.

      He wants to help and has my admiration.

      How can someone not old enough to drive get older voters to the polls?  Very simple.  He can organize at the place, have the bus or taxi ready to take people over in groups.

      My grandmother turns 90 in November, she can barely walk but she will vote because of people like this kid who want to help.

      Again, why would you discourage him?

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:49:03 AM PDT

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    •  Moved on from outing people's real names (10+ / 0-)

      to bullying 14 year old kids.

      No shame at all.

      I ask this again of the Kos administration, for the record, is MajorFlaw's behavior officially approved of, and, if so, why?

      •  he is outing people's real names now? (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Avila, kestrel9000, LynneK, csquared

        that's it...I removed my uprating

        "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

        by Pandoras Box on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:14:59 AM PDT

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        •  He did that once before (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Avila, kestrel9000, Pager, Pandoras Box

          with randgrithr.

          I will state for the record.

          I leave DK no later than NOv. 6, 2008 if this user is still permitted to be here.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 01:10:41 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, he did. (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Avila, Pete Rock, Pandoras Box

          And he did it to more than one user, Pandoras Box. I know personally of three users he has outed, one unintentionally, two on purpose.

          What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

          by Pager on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 04:10:50 PM PDT

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          •  You are known by the enemies you have (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Avila

            as well as the friends around here.

            Outing people is a bannable offense. I have said before and I will say it again:

            running people off this site is a "game" to some.

            Enough said.  

            Question of the day, Dave from queens, "Why are there two sets of standards"?

            To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

            by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 05:12:10 PM PDT

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            •  Very true statement, that. (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              raboof, Avila

              It's a sick game and I am sick of it.

              What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

              by Pager on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:18:03 PM PDT

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              •  Nov 6 (0+ / 0-)

                I have made up my mind that I want to keep my ability to post informative info and diaries in case I spot something that could be useful in helping to elect Dems.

                But if Flaw is still here Nov. 6th (48 hrs after the election) then I am going to assume that his behavior in outing people's real names and viciously attacking a 14 year old and all the other things referenced speaks for DK and thus my good name will not have anything to do with the site if that is the case.

                In fairness to Markos, I would have no objection if a decision on this is held off til the day after the election.

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:22:52 PM PDT

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              •  The only good news about this thread (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Avila, Pandoras Box

                is I think it finally reveals once and for all, to anybody that had any doubts, what Major Flaw's real purpose for being at this site is.

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:34:48 PM PDT

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            •  I don't fully know (0+ / 0-)

              I just know that for whatever reason that somebody in adm. acts against those who Flaw dislikes with rapidity while ignoring Flaw's transgressions and that it sometimes takes weeks for the appeal email site to redress the situation.

              Flaw has outed a person's real name on this site.  He should have been banned for it and still should be.

              Now he attacks a 14 yr old in a despicable fashion.  His comment at the top of the thread combined with his refusal to simply apologize despite several urgings and opportunities to do so to me is grounds to ban him in and of itself.  (But that's not my decision.)  

              Your analysis is correct.  To Flaw the game is to see how many people he can get kicked off DailyKos.

              To use his words, it's getting kinda old.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 06:20:35 PM PDT

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          •  I had heard of ONE person. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Pandoras Box

            This is quite serious, but I cannot ask for links for obvious reasons.

            Still, for all who are reading this - the administrators must surely have been aware and on top of this! "Community" moderation is crucial to the operation of this site, and ethics are paramount.

            Can I get a confirmation on this from our front-pagers?

            The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

            by vox humana on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 11:00:50 PM PDT

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            •  MajorFlaw manipulates community moderation (0+ / 0-)

              about 25 different times he has had a comment in troll alley only to email or alert his personal upraters.

              They include 3 you've seen in this thread

              musing85
              trashablanca
              bottles

              There are about 7 primary others.  If any of them show up here I'll post them too.  He lost braveheartdc a couple of months ago.  Majorflaw owns Braveheartdc, the most vile, obnoxious, and disruptive and clear cut right winger ever to be here.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:38:30 AM PDT

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          •  god, why on earth then is he still here??? (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Pager

            honestly, i had no idea - until this thread - that he had turned into such a collossal jerk!

            "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

            by Pandoras Box on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:03:43 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I can't answer that. (0+ / 0-)

              I wish I could.

              What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

              by Pager on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 06:50:03 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  I can promise this (0+ / 0-)

              and yes the word is promise

              If MajorFlaw (and possibly his upraters) are allowed to remain at this site after this display, in conjunction with  his other behavior, including outing people's real names, then Dailykos goes the way of mydd

              And I have the ability and connections to make that happen.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 07:09:54 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Here comes the uprating abuse (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      raboof, kestrel9000

      of course this comment and thread should remain in hidden territory.  

      Now let's see which of the usual people are being emailed privately to uprate this out of troll alley.

      Hmmm.

      I have a list of ten names.  Wait. Musing85 is one and he's arrived.  expect 1-2 others to "uprate" this in VIOLATION of the FAQs.

      My belief, anyone uprating this at this point should be banned. (not the original 2 people)

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:12:26 PM PDT

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      •  Should have their rating privileges docked (0+ / 0-)

        It is done all the time around here for those exceeding the bounds and creating a fracas or unecessary strife.

        They know perfectly well they are doing it.

        It was done with zealots during the primary wars to cool off people, this is a sly more subtle but even more damaging version.

        I agree stevj,PvtJarhead were in the early mix. some other uprates were removed by the original upraters. Others uprating now are adding gasoline to the fire here.

        To strive,to seek,to find, and not to yield. 1843 high school motto, Rhode Island.

        by Pete Rock on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:57:31 PM PDT

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        •  agree, this has happened about 25 times (0+ / 0-)

          I don't think stevj or pvtgjarhead should be punished.

          Clearly musing85 and trashablanca were waiting toward the end to uprate.

          Flaw has had 25 comments end up in troll alley and ALL 25 times the same group of upraters (include bottles and then braveheartdc) come along and abuse the ratings privileges.

          Flaw outed a person's real name and now he attacked a 14 yr old like this.  Clearly he is here to disrupt and incite.  He is no different than Bill O'Reilly.  Either Markos owns him or doesn't.  And yes, if Flaw is still here after NOv. 6, I will spend every future netroots nation conference Markos attends and future radio and TV appearances of mine and tie MajorFlaw around Markos neck like white on rice.  

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:41:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Spare me the bullshit (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            trashablanca, buddabelly, bottles

            Do you seriously think that anybody sits bent over their keyboard and waiting for the ratings window to expire on this site so s/he can get in a last dig? If you do, that says far more about you than you should be willing to share in public.

            I noticed an obviously bogus rating when I checked hiddens (as I do routinely, that being part and parcel of the responsibilities of a trusted user on this site). I uprated.

            When are you going to stop this pointless vendetta? "Outing"? How do you out someone who posted her own personal information on this very site? You should have been banned the last time you were warned about this crap.

            •  your uprating was abusive (0+ / 0-)

              and runs afoul of the rules.

              And you've done this many times over.

              There is no "vendetta" other than that of Flaw and your crew.

              You own Flaw's comment regarding Asher, you own it.

              Are you going to say the 12 people who Hred him were wrong?

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:15:55 AM PDT

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            •  you should be banned (0+ / 0-)

              for uprating this clearly bannable comment and manipulating ratings.

              You can not explain why the rating was bogus.  It's ratings abuse pure and simple on your part.

              As for outing, when you go back 6 months to find an obscure comment and then link to it, that's an outing.  It does not matter the intent or who posted it first.

              I think the majority of this site is tired of what you, bottles, trashablanca, Flaw and a few others have done.  And yes, Kos will have to make a choice, the majority of us or your small pack of thugs.

              I can live with it either way.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:20:16 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  bottles just committed upratings abuse (0+ / 0-)

          as predicted, bottles would come in at the last minute to uprate.  Bottles is Major Flaw's defacto uprater, the equivalent of Major Flaw's sockpocket.

          This is about the 25th time Majorflaw has had his upraters take him out of troll alley.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 06:46:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

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