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  •  Got It, But I Wasn't Aware One Senator (3+ / 0-)
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    freakofsociety, markthshark, Inky99

    whether it be Pelosi or Conyers, or any senator, had the power to take impeachment "off the table" for the entire senate.

    The Constitution obviously doesn't support that.

    Although I applaud Whitehouse, I seriously doubt his effort will get much traction/support from the rest of Congress-- who are more interested in taking their usual course of non-action, non prosecution of crimes and misdemeanors committed by those in high places.

    "People and governments need the courage to do the right thing". Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

    by Superpole on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 07:34:00 AM PST

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    •  That's the shameful irony about the whole... (3+ / 0-)
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      Superpole, Uberbah, cgirard

      "... impeachment is off the table" proclamation.

      NO. One. be it senator, representative, SCOTUS justice or even the POTUS him/herself has the power to arbitrarily (or by consensus) take any function, due process (or, in this case, remedy) contained within the U.S. Constitution "off the table."

      By doing so, Pelosi, herself, has taken an unconstitutional path. She is complicit - a co-conspirator if you will - to the crimes of the Bush crime family.

      "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem." -- Abraham Lincoln

      by markthshark on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 09:42:28 AM PST

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      •  Then why didn't people do it anyway (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry but this isn't all on Pelosi. You said she didn't have the power to do that so why didn't other people do it despite what she said. You can't blame the whole thing on her, it doesn't work.

        And I don't agree that saying no to impeachment makes one part of the Bush crime family either. I don't like her, but I think calling her a member of the Bush crime family is a bit extreme. If you have some proof that she seriously conspired with Bush then please let me know and then you can call her a member of the Bush crime family.

        •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)

          Look, fos, congress IS in fact charged with providing a check against a corrupt executive-- THAT is their job. they didn't do it and the consequences of congress not doing their job are still being played out and may yet lead to a larger disaster.

          Pelosi IS the Speaker of the House, correct? If I was a weak member of congress, as many of them are, I certainly wouldn't be going against the decree of the Speaker, i.e. "impeachment is off the table".

          Kucinich? seems to me he's being pursuing impeachment for some time now-- and look at ALL the support he got from his fellow members.

          "People and governments need the courage to do the right thing". Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

          by Superpole on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 02:39:54 PM PST

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    •  And Pelosi isn't even a senator lol (0+ / 0-)

      Does she have a target on her back or something? I mean I'm not her biggest fan but why is Pelosi the one that always gets called out. Couldn't someone have pursued it regardless of what she said?

      •  Impeachment starts in the House (0+ / 0-)

        Pelosi as Speaker had the power to keep it off the agenda - unless a HUGE number of people forced her to let it reach the floor.

        The fact is that there was likely never sufficient support to pass impeachment in the House (they needed 1/2) and there definitely was enough support in the Senate where I think 2/3 rds was needed to kick him out.

    •  Pelosi as speaker of the House (0+ / 0-)

      could keep it off the agenda in the House, which is where impeaching is done - the Senate "tries" the case after the House votes for impeach and can throw the President out. Pelosi and Conyers are in the House; Whitehouse is in teh Senate

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