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  •  If Bush is found guilty (1+ / 0-)
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    I would be happy to let him go and have him live his life out in the War Criminal he is...officially.

    Justice is having his crimes acknowledged, publicized, and officially recorded....for posterity and for precedent.

    As you say War Crimes will happen again, do we want then, to make them legal? By not prosecuting them whenever....and wherever...they occur?

    •  Two things (0+ / 0-)

      See...I know where you're coming from. And I can't believe I'm on the opposite side of you. I'd love, a year from now, to know that Bush has been tried and convicted for his alleged crimes. But it's the between here and there that is going to damage us.

      First: Incidentally Bush argued exactly the same thing in his case to invade Iraq. He argued that Iraq violated portions of the UN Security Council Resolution of 1990(WMDs aside) and the law HAD to be enforced for the UN to have any teeth. The UN said, "well yeah...but invasion won't be good for anybody, so just let it go. They're contained, they're stable...just let it go." I believe, like the UN did, that laws are tools and not lines in the sand. Sure some Kurds were killed and tortured from time to time, but Iraq was a stable nation and a regional destabilization would be bad and unpredictable. I agree with them. And I believe the situation applies here.

      Second: Look into your heart and tell me honestly that you or even a Democratic Senate or Congress can be impartial in this case. Tell me for real and for true that our conservative countrymen in our relatively internally peaceful United States won't see a prosecution and potential execution performed by the incoming political victors as a Kangaroo court. Do you seriously think that won't cause irreparable damage to American democracy forever after? And do you think our representatives wouldn't convict and snuff Bush's pathetic life if they thought it meant a permanent Democratic majority? This won't be perceived as justice in the end. Not even by a lot of people who despise Bush.

      How on earth would that look to the world? We'd look even more like a large Banana Republic than we already do.

      Americans are innocent until proven guilty in an impartial court. The US congress is absolutely the wrong body to be anywhere near this. The Hague would be the only place where any of this could even remotely be taken as Non Political. And even then, I have a hard time believing they could be impartial.

      This is a TOXIC proposition and won't end well.

      I love my cigar too, but I take it out once in a while.

      by Muskegon Critic on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 06:12:32 PM PST

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    •  And I realize (0+ / 0-)

      you said that execution wasn't your goal. But a conviction would lead to imprisonment at least and that would still be bad bad news.


      But.......I agree with you on one level. I dunno. I want his acts to not have been done. I want them to be UNdone. I want to make reparations with the people and nations we've fucked over. I want America to be Good.

      I love my cigar too, but I take it out once in a while.

      by Muskegon Critic on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 06:20:15 PM PST

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    •  sigh...not much on my diary (0+ / 0-)

      thanks for Rec-ing it though! Mightily neighborly.

      Maybe it was too preachy. Just a tad.

      Or it's possible I'm just on crack. I could be.


      I love my cigar too, but I take it out once in a while.

      by Muskegon Critic on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 06:34:32 PM PST

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