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  •  Um, yes (1+ / 0-)
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    freakofsociety

    If you don't have insurance, you'll never even see a doctor.  So, if you want to get literal, no they don't stick a thermometer up your bum, but they provide access to the people who do.

    •  Um - no (6+ / 0-)

      when I was in college I opted not to have health insurance because I couldn't afford it.  When I occasionally needed to see a doctor I paid out of pocket.  My health care costs were significantly lower than they would have been had I paid for health insurance.  

      It was a gamble, but since I was young and couldn't imagine a terrible medical event happening to me, I took that gamble.  I paid a lot less for health care as a result.  You don't need health insurance except in the face of catastrophic illness, disability, unemployment, severe poverty or chronic illness including age-related illness. Patients with these issues are precisely the ones insurance companies don't want to provide access for.

      Besides which, providing "access" is not the same thing as providing health care. It isn't being literal to point that out to someone who says things like, "one needs to keep the debate within the realm of reality"  that access isn't the same as care - it is keeping the debate within the realm of reality.  Again, I'll say it - you stay within the realm of reality.

      The truth is that doctors, nurses, PT's/OT's, psychologists, and other trained professionals within the health care field are the ones providing health care. Health insurance companies provide no health care.

      The diarist has correctly pointed out that:

      Certainly, the for-profit health insurance industry, which I follow quite closely, must lie to stay alive. They must dissemble, it's a fully parasitic industry which does less than zero except take many of our premium dollars and shovel them to Wall Street.

      to which you disingenuously say: but they provide "access" to health care, while ignoring the main point.  

      The main point being that these mammoth companies are profiting from providing no care.  We would not need them in the middle providing over-priced access to cherry-picked healthy people if they were not obstructing our ability to create a system that works for us and not for their grotesque profits.

      The health insurance industry is not the baby in the bathwater here.  They give nothing of value and take and take in return.  For our system to work for everyone they need to go.

      "The time for justice is always right now!" - Samantha Booke, Wiley College debate team, 1935

      by Edgewater on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:32:01 AM PST

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    •  No. Just no. (6+ / 0-)

      If you don't have insurance, you'll never even see a doctor.

      Only if you let the insurance companies dictate that.

      If you want to give THEM your money, instead of paying a doctor that actually does something, that's just stupid.

      In the rest of the industrialized nations, people haven't bought that quart of stupid. They get along just fine w/o health insurance companies.

      That's why insurance companies advertise so much. Without advertisements (lies) they can't keep selling the same quart of stupid.

      Member, The Angry Left.

      by nosleep4u on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 11:38:32 AM PST

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