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  •  The point, in my hastily written comment, (0+ / 0-)

    was that the question of mandates is irrelevant in a culture where no one would think that going without care was an option, mandated or not.

    Whoever determines what can be talked about also determines what can be known.

    by fearisthemindkiller on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:26:27 PM PST

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    •  Mandate isn't irrelevant though (3+ / 0-)

      if the question is whether the country has a single payer plan or some other form of health care system.

      If private companies are competing with the government plan and people can opt out of the government plan in favor of the private one that isn't a single payer plan.  

      A plan like that would be precisely what I hope America avoids because it would adversely affect the government plan to have the healthiest/wealthiest cherry-picked out by private plans seeking profit by promising spa-type treatment.

      Private plans should only exist as supplements to a universal plan that everyone pays into IMO.

      "The time for justice is always right now!" - Samantha Booke, Wiley College debate team, 1935

      by Edgewater on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:55:34 PM PST

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      •  Yes you are making a valid policy point (2+ / 0-)
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        and I am trying to make a cultural point about how the presence of national health care system changes people's perceptions of health care and of being sick.

        My friend in Berlin called out sick because he woke up with a sore throat, he wanted to go to the doctor and check it out.  It was nothing major and the doctor told him to take the day and rest.

        I have read diaries here on dkos about people who suffer strokes and other terrifying symptoms and are still afraid to see their doctor because they can't afford it. This is the perceptual difference I am trying to illustrate.

        Same with perceptions of health insurance -- when it is a given that you should be and can be insured there is no need for someone to mandate that you do.  

        America will not transform into such a place immediately, but the presence of a nationalized plan over time will mean that people will eventually not even consider going without coverage, and people will take more preventative care on their own initiative.

        Whoever determines what can be talked about also determines what can be known.

        by fearisthemindkiller on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 05:35:20 PM PST

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