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  •  Probably not unique to Arizona (6+ / 0-)

    Between the fifty-state strategy and the energy behind the Presidential election a whole lot of people got politically motivated and want to be involved. If the existing party structure in any state or area doesn't find a way to harness that effectively they are likely to be trampled by an army of "lead, follow, or get out of the way"

    •  I Disagree..... (6+ / 0-)

      respectfuuly, of course.

      I think this take-over is actually vey unique - most grass-roots folks who come flooding into the system, usually in presidential elections, flood right back our after the election.  Party leadership knows this, that is why, in most states, the party leadership holds their elections in off-year elections, thereby limiting the impact of folks who show up during presidential elections.

      Party leadership in states across the country bank of staying in power by limiting the turnout by grassroots folks if off year elections.  

      •  Much of that may well hold true this time, too (2+ / 0-)
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        I do think we will see some differences in the number of people remaining engaged. Especially younger people. The result may not be as sudden and dramatic as in Arizona, but I think this "change" election is going to mean some "changes" at all levels.

      •  not as unique as you might think... (6+ / 0-)

        ...the grass/netroots in texas has been diligently working to return the party to the people for the last 3 or 4 election cycles (both presidential and "off" election cycles). we may get discouraged, but we don't stop fighting for a more progressive party led by more progressive dems!

        "A time comes when silence is betrayal." ~ MLK, Jr.

        by liberaldemdave on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 01:13:38 PM PST

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        •  I think both you and flipperwaves are right (7+ / 0-)

          Let's keep in mind the situation going in. Bivens was completely unopposed. No challenger, none, zero, zip, nada. The old guard is comfortable this will go like all re-org meetings in the past: their decision on chairman will be endorsed. They have no reason to think anything's up.

          But, early in the meet, in the morn, the Progressive Caucus caucused, came up the the insurgent effort, Eckerstrom bought in and they all put together a campaign and executed it the very same day. They literally had people running to Kinko's to run off copies of 'vote Paul' stuff in between the caucus and the nominations. And then they pull off the win. Fucking killer. I love it.

          Not unique, as you say liberaldemdave, in that it's a ground-up insurgent effort.

          Totally unique as flipperwaves says in that it was almost spontaneous, a serious effort, and immediately toppled the Old Guard. On the first ballot.

          I think part of the uniqueness here is also the fact that progressives caught the old guard completely flat-footed. Blindsided them big time. They secured the victory before the old guard could react. I was very impressed. Still am.

          •  both tactics have been tried... (2+ / 0-)
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            boadicea, Very Plaid

            ...here in texas.

            there was a real "movement" to replace the TDP chair several years ago that failed. it failed because there wasn't a SINGLE "face" for progressives. there were at least 3 GOOD choices that siphoned votes from one another (the vote went to 2 or 3 ballots, if i recall correctly).

            what happened subsequently, is that the current "party structure" has used the committe chairman/chairwoman positions to "enforce" the status quo. i know of more than one county chair that has been castigated by their chair person for speaking critically. those county chairs are then more likely to squelch any dissent at the county level.

            at the last state convention there was a "stealth campaign" and it failed because the "status quo" was already braced for dissent.

            VERY frustrating.

            "A time comes when silence is betrayal." ~ MLK, Jr.

            by liberaldemdave on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 02:07:01 PM PST

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      •  Actually... (3+ / 0-)
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        copymark, boadicea, revgerry

        Tennessee did much the same thing this weekend - rejecting the establishment party chair candidiate (supported by Gov. Bredesen and Harold Ford Jr., among others) in favor of grassroots candidate Chip Forrester.

        Strange things are afoot at the Circle K these days...

        A revolution is coming... whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability. -- Robert F. Kennedy

        by Anton Sirius on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 03:12:24 PM PST

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