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    •  Summary Execution.... (16+ / 0-)

      needs to stop.

      What exactly did the man do to be arrested tried and executed in a matter of minutes?????????

      Thank God it is too late for Bush to issue a pardon.

      These crimes have to stop.

      All of those officers chose their careers and everyone of them took an oath to protect and serve, especially those in their custody.

      •  I don't think it was a summary execution (0+ / 0-)

        From watching the video, it looks like the guy thought he was reaching for his tazer and pulled out the wrong weapon.

        That said, this doesn't diminish the magnitude of the crime one iota--to the contrary, it shows how systemic the rot in the BART police department is:

        Why did these cops think they had a right to assault someone already in custody and not posing a threat?

        Why weren't they better trained in the use of deadly/non-deadly force?

        Why did they think they could cover it up?

        Answer: we're fostering a culture of impunity amongst glorified rent-a-cops.  This shit happens everyday...

        "If you can't lower heaven, raise hell!" - Mother Jones

        by al ajnabee on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:52:55 PM PST

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        •  That holds no water (15+ / 0-)

          The taser was on the other side.

          The taser is one third the weight of the pistol. The taser weighs 7 ounces, the pistol weighs roughly four pounds.

          The X26 taser has bright yellow plastic sights, nothing like the sights of .40 caliber Sig-Saur the officer was carrying. The officer clearly sights down the barrel in the video.

          The X26 taser has a bright and clear LED display on the butt of the weapon.

          This is a picture of the X26

          http://kystes.blog.lemonde.fr/...

          This is a picture of the Sig p229

          http://guns4u.info/...

          The P229 Sig he was carrying requires 10 pounds of trigger pull.  That is a substantial trigger pull.

          This also makes it very hard to believe that he "accidently discharged" the weapon.

          He doesn't seem at all suprised by the recoil.  In fact, his weapon remains on target.  While a .40 cal S&W doesn't kick like a .45 acp, if he had not been braced for the recoil we would have seen his hand flying up to his forehead.

          Instead, he's in an excellent stance, elbows akimbo, anticipating recoil.

          I understand a lot of people are not familiar with fire-arms...but for those of us who are (at all) the "thought it was a tazer" is a about as credible as an officer stabbing someone in the throat and then claiming he thought the knife was his baton.

          •  Do we even know if he was carrying a taser? (0+ / 0-)

            I know the taser argument has been all but ruled out as reasonable. But was he even carrying a taser at the time that would make the argument even remotely plausible? I'm not arguing, I really don't know the answer to this question.

            •  It was confirmed by BART, officialy (7+ / 0-)

              He was carrying a taser.

              It doesn't make much difference, though.  It makes about as much sense as "I thought it was my pepper spray".

              Given the excessive force complaint about him in December, he truly seems to be an irrational pig who thinks he has a right to abuse physically citizens who he believes have abused him verbally.

              Personally, I think every applicant for a Law Enforcement position ought to be strapped into a chair and verbally abused by insult comics or drill sergeants for half an hour, and be disqualified if their heart rate increases more than 10 BPM.

              I've seen cops pull over and beat the shit out of an old homeless drunk for flipping them off as they drove by.  I'm talking, baton to the face repeatedly.

              If they can't brush off verbal abuse, they don't belong in the job.

          •  Thanks for the pictures--you convinced me (2+ / 0-)
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            I've been following this a bit but not a lot.  My friend and I were arguing about this last week (he was taking my position and I was taking your position).  I decided I was wrong but now I may go back to my original theory (that the pig was a psychopath).  

            Fucking bizarre all around though.  I wonder how often they get away with shit like this.  

            "If you can't lower heaven, raise hell!" - Mother Jones

            by al ajnabee on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 05:45:01 PM PST

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            •  To be clear... (6+ / 0-)

              I think he probably commited the crime in a fit of rage, but it's clearly not an accident.

              A lot of people have taken his shock a full second after the shot as "suprise that the gun went off".  The way he responds to the recoil makes it completely clear to me he intended to fire his weapon.

              To me, it looks like "Oh, shit, what did I do". Not "Oh, shit, what just happened".

              I think there probably was some shit being talked, and he got pissed, and commited a murder.

              I don't know that he is a sociopath, but his prior behavior is that of someone with incredibely poor impulse control, if they guy who filed the abuse complaint is to be believed.

              A lot of people who get off on excitement and acting tough become cops.  

        •  Remember when.... (3+ / 0-)
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          Roger Clemens threw a broken bat at Mike Piazza as he was running down the first base line.  And Clemens' excuse was that he thought it was the ball.  Now forget that he shouldn't have been throwing the ball at a runner going down the first base line either, but that's what this excuse seems like to me.  

          There is no way that someone can mistake a broken baseball bat for a baseball, much the same as there is no way that someone can mistake a service revolver for a friggin taser.

          Oh and by the way, Clemens has since revealed himself to be a liar of the highest order.

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