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  •  I dearly hope... (12+ / 0-)

    ...yours is not the majority opinion in the U.S. on this.

    "There is only one caution. Don't let it happen again." -- edscan, 21 Jan 2009

    by ArtSchmart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:19:17 PM PST

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    •  Oh, there's no doubt it is. (1+ / 0-)
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      Go ahead and poll the question, "Is it torture to put a terrorist in a room without his friends?"  You'll find that Daily Kos is not representative of the country at large on that one.

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      by Troutnut on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:21:36 PM PST

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      •  Nice phrasing in that question. (8+ / 0-)

        Rove would have been proud.

        "There is only one caution. Don't let it happen again." -- edscan, 21 Jan 2009

        by ArtSchmart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:22:56 PM PST

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        •  In what way is this so-called torture (2+ / 0-)
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          anything more than just giving the terrorists a "time-out?"

          Isolation.  Lights out.  Maybe even going to bed without dinner.  This sounds like something a parent would do to a kid who finger-painted the family cat.  And you expect Americans to get outraged if we do it to terrorists?

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          by Troutnut on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:27:37 PM PST

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          •  Try looking here for starters. (6+ / 0-)

            "There is only one caution. Don't let it happen again." -- edscan, 21 Jan 2009

            by ArtSchmart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:35:38 PM PST

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          •  Then go here. (8+ / 0-)

            From Eastern State Penitentiary website:

            Eastern State Penitentiary broke sharply with the prisons of its day, abandoning corporal punishment and ill treatment. This massive new structure, opened in 1829, became one of the most expensive American buildings of its day and soon the most famous prison in the world. The Penitentiary would not simply punish, but move the criminal toward spiritual reflection and change. The method was a Quaker-inspired system of isolation from other prisoners, with labor. The early system was strict. To prevent distraction, knowledge of the building, and even mild interaction with guards, inmates were hooded whenever they were outside their cells. But the proponents of the system believed strongly that the criminals, exposed, in silence, to thoughts of their behavior and the ugliness of their crimes, would become genuinely penitent. Thus the new word, penitentiary.

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            Charles Dickens did not agree. He recounts his 1842 visit to Eastern State Penitentiary Chapter Seven in his travel journal, American Notes for General Circulation. The chapter is titled "Philadelphia and its Solitary Prison:"

            "In its intention I am well convinced that it is kind, humane, and meant for reformation; but I am persuaded that those who designed this system of Prison Discipline, and those benevolent gentleman who carry it into execution, do not know what it is that they are doing....I hold this slow and daily tampering with the mysteries of the brain to be immeasurably worse than any torture of the body; and because its ghastly signs and tokens are not so palpable to the eye,... and it extorts few cries that human ears can hear; therefore I the more denounce it, as a secret punishment in which slumbering humanity is not roused up to stay."

            The critics eventually prevailed. The Pennsylvania System was abandoned in 1913. In some countries in Europe and Asia the separate system continued until the post-Second World War period.

            "There is only one caution. Don't let it happen again." -- edscan, 21 Jan 2009

            by ArtSchmart on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:44:09 PM PST

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      •  Nice phrasing (7+ / 0-)

        That's a bit like saying "many people enjoy surfing, so how bad could waterboarding be?"

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