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  •  Yours is an uninformed understanding (20+ / 0-)

    but probably quite common. Go put on blindfolds, put yourself in a dark closet, stay there for a month, see no one, and let your keepers be the people in the neighborhood or your city you most fear. Oh, yes, and let those keepers be the ones who decide if you ever get out. If after that you feel okay, then you might have a point.

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 02:24:32 PM PST

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    •  I feel sensory deprivation is clearly torture (3+ / 0-)
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      truong son traveler, Valtin, cgirard

      however, segregation may be needed. The wikipedia article ArtSchmart linked to provides some good reasons.

      Those who accept the practice consider it necessary for prisoners who are considered dangerous to other people ('the most predatory' prisoners),[1] those who might be capable of leading crime groups even from within, or those who are kept 'incommunicado' for purported reasons of national security. Finally, it may be used for prisoners who are at high risk of being attacked by other inmates, such as pedophiles or witnesses who are in prison themselves.

      Having worked in corrections I can tell you it is needed despite being undesirable. Where I was worked it was called Seg and there was no sensory deprivation. It was used for those who where a danger to themselves or others. A lessor level was called PC (protective custody) and was used for groups that could not safely be in the general population but could be together with others in PC.

      Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. - President Harry Truman

      by notrouble on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:30:32 PM PST

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      •  The issue of segregation v. separation (5+ / 0-)

        is clearly discussed in the AFM. I covered it in my earlier diary, How the U.S. Army's Field Manual Codified Torture -- and Still Does.

        Separation is not about the "normal interrogation process" [the following quote is from Appendix M]:

           The use of separation should not be confused with the detainee-handling techniques approved in Appendix D. Specifically, the use of segregation during prisoner handling (Search, Silence, Segregate, Speed, Safeguard and Tag) should not be confused with the use of separation as a restricted interrogation technique....

           Separation should be used as part of a well-orchestrated strategy involving the innovative application of unrestricted approach techniques. Separation requires special approval, judicious execution, special control measures and rigorous oversight.

        War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

        by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:52:09 PM PST

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      •  You must consider (6+ / 0-)

        that I am not your ordinary diarist, at least on this subject. I have read and reread the material, I have consulted experts and read the literature. Still, I can miss things, so I don't mind being queried. But ask yourself why you are so quick to make exception? Do you really know what you think you know? Personal experience is a double-edged sword. It give you essential insights, but can also blind you to seeking further examination of material when it is called for.

        But please, keep your questions coming.

        War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

        by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:54:33 PM PST

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        •  If you haven't been a custody officer (0+ / 0-)

          you really don't understand just how dangerous some of these individuals are. They will kill. That is not a risk to take with anyones life, the inmates are people too.

          Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. - President Harry Truman

          by notrouble on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 08:08:19 AM PST

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          •  No, I haven't been a control officer (0+ / 0-)

            But even the government admits that over half the people at Guantanamo were totally innocent.

            In any case, this isn't about segregation of prisoners in the process of making the facility safe. The manual is quite clear about this, and I've quoted it elsewhere in these comments. It is about interrogation, and "breaking down" a prisoner to make them talk, or sign a confession, etc.

            The relative dangerousness of any prisoner is not even at issue in this discussion.

            War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

            by Valtin on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 08:25:32 AM PST

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