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  •  Not only are you wrong (19+ / 0-)

    but the AFM itself bans the use of "total sensory deprivation," because its use would constitute cruel treatment or torture.

    You are also wrong about isolation and sensory deprivation not being torture. By what credentials and study do you present your opinion? Just your brilliant analysis, I suppose. The link to your MySpace page from your i.d. here will satisfy all to your impeccable credentials.

    Why do you waste our time with your inane comments?

    For those whom you may have confused by your comment, I refer them to this excellent 2007 article by Salon.com's Mark Benjamin, The CIA's Favorite Form of Torture.

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 03:37:13 PM PST

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    •  Ok now you want to throw insults (0+ / 0-)

      but I'll leave that to you. Since it's obvious the only thing you can fall back on when you're perfect logic is challenged.

      First Total Sensory Deprivation is banned? Why would you use that as an example? That's like arguing Water boarding is torture, I agree.

      Second, sensory deprivation causes no long term harm unless coupled with other forms of abuse such as neglect etc...

      Third, Isolation which while extremely unpleasant is in no way life threatening, as long as it is not coupled with neglect to the prisoners health.

      And I'm not arguing that these interrogation methods be used on people who's guilt is in doubt. Their use on actual enemy combatants. And not for the use of getting evidence in a trial.

      While the UN convention against torture does prohibit severe pain which if you wanted to you could argue happen from Sensory deprivation. It also makes an allowance for techniques that do cause pain but are within the law.

      Article 1.1 UN Convention Against Torture

      It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

      The problem with Sensory deprivation is when it is done to the extreme. That is when it becomes torture, it is not torture when done properly with the prisoners long term health in mind. However that's a form of abuse called neglect and that's illegal for a number of reasons.

      •  Hmm - are those using methods described here (1+ / 0-)
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        Valtin

        >really<concerned about the "prisonor's long term health" ? I'm skeptical.</p>

      •  You can't be a little pregnant.Torture is torture (1+ / 0-)
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        What real justification is there for it to begin with? It's a slippery slope.

        We ought not to be involved in such things to begin with.Especially since we have been told by military personnel trained to do interrogations that it doesn't give you the information you want and often leads to bad information.

        So why go there? Why spend all this energy trying to rationalize unethical behavior? It makes you look nuts or cruel.

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