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  •  Small government served us well in business and (6+ / 0-)

    finance.  Keep it small!!!

    •  big government is needed to control big business (4+ / 0-)

      who else can make the corporate puppet masters show up on a nice day in February and fumble and squirm before us?

      The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. Thomas Jefferson

      by Thea VA on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 07:44:29 PM PST

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      •  big government is needed to control big business (1+ / 0-)
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        Big government produces nothing except bureaucrats.

        Big business produces goods & services you can choose to either purchase or not.

        Name one thing big government does better than the private sector except waste money.

        •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
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          XOVER, uc booker

          Screw the USPS, Social Security, and Medicare.

          And the FDNY?

          Rips!

          Wow!

          There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Ed Howdershelt

          by Lava20 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 08:05:23 PM PST

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        •  Ok. (10+ / 0-)

          Medicine.  National defense.  Allocation of scarce resources.

          There's three.

          And if you don't think big business produces bureaucrats, try rethinking.  Why do you think health insurance costs so much America?  Any clue?

          Because about 15% of every health insurance company's budget is spent on salaries for people to go through your medical records trying to figure out a way to deny your claim.  If these bean counters are not bureaucrats, what are they?

          To a Democrat, "democracy" means "free elections." To a Republican, "free markets."

          by XOVER on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 08:05:55 PM PST

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          •  Wrong again (0+ / 0-)

            Medicine?  Try having a procedure done on medicare or medicaide.  Wait time is typically months if it is not an emergency.  On private insurance, typically days or weeks.
            National Defense: Has to be handled by the government since you wouldn't want independent corporate militias running around. The military however has never been accused of being particularly cost effective however.  If you beg to differ I'd love to hear the argument.
            Allocation of scarce Resources:  Such as what?  Or is your argument more of the standing in the way of production of resources.

            BTW if you know any doctors you'd be able to answer the "why does health insurance cost so much in America" question.  1) Malpractice insurance costs: you know the added slip and fall lawyer tax.  2) State mandated procedures.  If your twenty & healthy you will probably pay more for insurance than you recieve in benefits.  Why? because you're subsidising mandated procedures.  Maybe you want to subsidise chiropractic treatments, infertility treatment & mental health care.  Maybe you don't. It doesn't really matter what you think because you can't purchase a policy that doesn't cover these treatments.

        •  Provides free public education (14+ / 0-)

          roads
          bridges
          medical research
          mass transit
          public sanitation
          public health services
          environmental protection
          the justice system
          national defense
          welfare for the disabled and downtrodden
          low interest college loans
          support for higher education
          the police
          the fire department
          child protective services
          space research
          national energy strategy

          •  Nine BEST words in the English language (1+ / 0-)
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            when you're standing on the wing of a plane that's sinking in the middle of a freezing river

            I'm from the government and I'm here to help

          •  Free Education? Never heard of taxes? (0+ / 0-)

            State pay for public ed via property tax.  States that allow parents to chose the schools for their kids via school vouchers pay lower costs than those states that have no choice.  Regarding the other items on your laundry list:

            roads & bridges: There was a federal highway trust fund that was funded through gasoline taxes to pay for the maintainence & repair of this.  Unfortunately this fund was looted by congree to pay for other things.  That's why "infrastructure spending" is included in the stimulus bill

            medical research: Most medical reaserch is funded by grants from the drug companies.  Govt plays a part but it is small.  It can also be politicised (does stem cell reaserch ring a bell?)

            mass transit: Up here in the Northeast, the train system is constantly subject to funding issues, cutbacks, and lack of capital expenditure.

            public sanitation: Don't know, may be a push.

            public health services: Such as?  Last year there was a shortage of flu shots up here.  

            environmental protection: Name one.

            the justice system &national defense: Has to be done by governmental authority.  State runs by rule of law.

            welfare for the disabled and downtrodden: In reality economic slavery to the state.  Ever tried to get social security disability payments?  Standard resonse is to routinely deny the initial claim.  Why? because SS is runnning out of money, is overworked and understaffed.

            low interest college loans & support for higher education.  Real issue is why cost of education has gone up in price by twice the overall rate of inflation over the last 25 years.  You might as well blame the greedy teachers.

            the police: Has to be gov provided for obvious reasons.
            the fire department: Same
            child protective services: Not even going there
            space research: NASA constantly fights for funding.  R Bransom is working on comercialising space travel.  Any bets on who will succeed first?
            national energy strategy: What strategy?

        •  Were you bored at the (2+ / 0-)
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          Reason site? Decided to come over and share your wisdom...

        •  Just (2+ / 0-)
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          theunreasonableHUman, uc booker

          an fyi...may need to keep an eye on this one...
          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          CNN is Uberliberal...alert, alert!

          There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Ed Howdershelt

          by Lava20 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 08:15:17 PM PST

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        •  Did you miss the turn to the Hoover Institute? (1+ / 0-)
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          uc booker

          What's with all these moronic freeper trolls who ask idiotic questions answered in the very video they are responding to? Begone, #203156.

        •  Crooks never like (1+ / 0-)
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          uc booker

          ...cops on the beat. Right wingers' terror at what they rant is "world government" stems from the fact that their beloved multinational corporations are scared of being reigned in from their depredations. They want to rule the world.

          "The survival value of intelligence is that it allows us to extinct a bad idea, before the idea extincts us." -- Karl Popper

          by eyeswideopen on Wed Feb 11, 2009 at 08:48:35 PM PST

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        •  Gee, I don't know (1+ / 0-)
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          How about:

          1.  Keep our air and water clean?
          1.  Keep peanut butter companies and other food producers from poisoning us?
          1.  Provide disability benefits to those unable to work?
          1.  Prosecute criminals?
          1.  Manage the money supply?
          1.  Compel business owners to maintain workplace safety rules?
          1.  Build our national infrastructure of roads, bridges, sewers, etc?
          1.  Educate children?
          1.  Keep people from starving?

          Don't like any of those?  How about this one:

          1.  Subsidize millionaire bankers who are too greedy and stupid to manage their own investments?

          You have to give me that last one, right?

        •  Nothing But Bureaucrats? (0+ / 0-)

          Do you know what a bureaucrat is?  It is "one who rules from a desk," using words. Words are those things that convey ideas, give directions, offer advice and most important of all, decide things.  You know, like, "Gee, I think you're a crook, Mr. Ponzi. Have fun in Leavenworth, bye bye!" In busines, bureaucrats also thrive.  They decide how big other people's salaries are gonna be. QED.

          Since you ask, one thing that the government does better than private industry is operate large organizations.  Take the Social Security Admin for example.  It costs 20 cents on the dollar to operate an insurance company.  All those bonuses, you know.  It costs less than 2 cents per dollar of total payroll taxes to run the whole SS program serving more than 47 million people. Never missed a payrolll yet and never had a RIF.

          But, I'm wasting my breath. God bless America.  We need it.

          •  About Social Security (0+ / 0-)

            I guess you're unaware of all of the IOU's in the SS trust fund.  Social security is a transfer payment and not social insurance. It is the mother of all ponzi schemes which is why every few years they have to "fix" it by taking in current tax dollars to pay current benefits while improperly accounting for future obligations.  On a cash flow basis, SS will be paying out more money than it takes in by 2015 and by the way, that excess money will be a transfer payment from the young people who are working to the older people who are not.

            You'd be better off taking the 6.5% of your salary and investing it on your own.  That way if you die your family will at least recieve some $ as oppose to $250 which is the death "benefit" for SS.

            SS never missed a payment because they can print the dollars to make the payment.  Wake up.  

          •  Bureaucrat is ? (0+ / 0-)

            Ever been to the motor Vehicle Dept.

            You know sit in the rock hard seat until your number comes up.  Waste half a day.

            Keep that thought in your head while you think about that system with the ability to spend $900 billion.

            Do you honestly think they'll provide really great oversight on where that money goes?

            Or do you suspect that they will shovel it out the door & say NEXT.

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