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  •  Marching Order Number Two (3.44)
    Instead of 'values' say 'bigots.' Never, never say this election was about morals. Don't ascribe positive value to bigotry. Our goal is to make them ashamed to admit they voted Republican: they sure ought to be.

    A nice phrase: 'the bigot ballots.'

    Some sentences: "Wow, we Democrats really got our asses kicked by the Bush bigots."

    "We sure didn't expect the bigot ballot turnout. I guess Rove is a boy genius."

    "When Bush gay-bashed his way into the White House ..."

    "Mandate? Kind of an ironic word, considering Bush's man-date was all about hating gays."

    How about: "John Birch Republicans." Are "Christofascists" and "The Talibush" too extreme to be effective?

    •  See my sig? (none)
      I like your thinking.

      "Why Is the Christian Right Obsessed With Sex Issues?"

      by joojooluv on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:48:43 PM PST

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      •  The Christian right IS obsessed with sex (none)
        The day after the election, the NY Times ran a column about a couple of young guys trying to address internet porn use among conservative Christians.  They cite a number of like 40% of Christian ministers who are avowedly "porn addicted," and seeking help from software that doesn't just filter porn sites, it reports porn viewing to the guilty Christian's support partner who will sit him/her down for a chat about how Jesus doesn't care for pornography.  Point is, though, they have acknowledged that all these gay sex-obsessed folks are just plain sex-obsessed themselves, and have such a problem with viewing porn (which they consider a sin) that it's infiltrated nearly half the clergy.  Christians, heal thyselves here.  

        Incidentally: why is it that gun enthusiasts have what amounts to a fetishistic, erotic fascination for instruments of death and yet get a free ride without anyone challenging the mental health and stability (and, yes, "moral values") of a group that blatantly eroticizes guns?

        •  Read... (none)
          The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich and you will have some more insight into them. I'm not saying it's definitive, but it does provide insight.

          Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

          by Alumbrados on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 02:54:17 PM PST

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        •  sex-obsessed values (none)
          fascinating information milton.

          Puts me in mind of Bill O'Reilly. Thesmokinggun was the first pornography I've read in years.

        •  Escorts and dancers.... (none)
          ...I'll just to add an interesting little note to this, being that our PotUS is from the so called "buckle of the Bible belt".'d think that NYC, Vegas, LA would be the US center of the most active prostitution, wouldn't you? But wrong you'd be....Texas, espcially Dallas and Houston, are to hooking/dancing what Paris is to clothes. Not far behind....Oklahoma City, Atlanta, etc....! Get the pic?

          The "buckle of the Bible belt" is full of so called conservatives who love nudie bars and working girls.

    •  aoeu (none)
      I think the last two are too extreme.

      no haikus now,
      join your local democratic party.
      There are fights in 2005 coming up.

      by TealVeal on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:48:52 PM PST

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    •  Absolutely (none)
      It's funny - I was saying the exact same thing to my wife this morning - and I plan on dropping it into as many conversations as possible:

      "(shaking head) I can't believe that bigots decided this presidential election."

      Try it. It's fun.

      Disgusted at Bush's "One Finger Victory Salute?" Salute Back!

      by aftk2 on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 02:02:45 PM PST

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    •  Framing (4.00)
      "We democrats got beat by war mongers, gay bashers, and religious bigots."

      BTW, I always thought that the attack on Bill Clinton was led and fed by jealous men with limp dicks.

    •  Bigots is a great word (none)
      Up above, I mentioned intolerant as well.

      If I didn't read and think for myself, I could be a Republican

      by bonddad on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 02:19:59 PM PST

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    •  Omigawd No! (none)
      So we're going to sweet-talk 'em back to our side by smackin'm upside the head? sweet mother of jeebus, what a grand notion!

      seriously, i don't think that's what Lakoff was addressing at all ...

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 02:59:59 PM PST

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    •  Christian Right (none)
      A co-worker is a Goldwater Republican, with a green streak.  I'm a Dianne Feinstein Democrat.  We are in CA.  I theorized to him that we can take the West on the personal freedom issue.  We gotta give up the gun control crap cause it kills us, but personal freedom covers civil unions, the Patriot Act repeal, and the freedom to get Morning After Pills or RU-486.  Nevada massacred an anti-abortion proposition on the privacy issue.  

      He agreed that this would play well.  Think Ken Salazar, Harry Reid, and Jeff Bingaman.  

      •  Exactly (4.00)
        We need to be Liberaltarians.

        First-drop gun control.  NOW.  All of it.  I want a 100% NRA rating from our next presidential canidate (Harry Reid is close (not that he's gonna run for president, or that he would be the right choice if he did)).

        Second, drop anti-anti-union stuff.  Regulations that exist purely to perserve union jobs (and for no other reason)-like the banning of plastic pipe in residential construction.

        Third, we need to be anti-war, but pro-defense.  We need to be more isolationalist in the world, militarily speaking.  We fuck with nobody, but if somebody fucks with us, we nuke 'em until they glow and then shoot them in the dark. (Um...not literally...)

        But we keep healthcare for all, enviromental restrictions, a good minimum wage, etc., and we don't turn into supply side tax hating crazies.

        What do you think sirs?

        •  Liberaltarians (none)
          It's the only damn thing that will win it back.

          It's based on principles, and I can win debates with it with 30% of the Bush supporters.

          And that's enough

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