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  •  Fluoride (4+ / 0-)

    It's been in our drinking water for decades now.  If it's so detrimental to health wouldn't we be seeing evidence of the serious harmful effects all around us?  Wouldn't we simply be able to look at rates of bone defects and anemia among populations and compare them to earlier data, prior to fluoridation to get a hint that there's a problem that needs more detailed study?

    (Comparing it to lead exposure, for example, we've been able to learn a lot from statistical data among populations with high exposure prior to mandated unleaded gasoline.  We already knew that lead was dangerous but we've been able to examine the impact on large population groups.)

    And if it IS so obviously harmful what interest does "the man" have in continuing to put it in our water supply and/or covering up the supposedly disastrous health consequences of its use?

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

    by Triscula on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 06:52:27 AM PDT

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    •  especially since "the man" (3+ / 0-)
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      uses the same tap.

      If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

      by marykk on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 06:55:12 AM PDT

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    •  Kidney Damage now Evident (0+ / 0-)

      In 2008, the National Kidney Foundation dropped its fluoridation support replacing it with this caution: "Individuals with CKD  [Chronic Kidney Disease] should be notified of the potential risk of fluoride exposure."

      In 2006, the National Research Council reports,  "Early water fluoridation studies did not carefully assess changes in renal [kidney] function...Several investigators have shown that patients with impaired renal function, or on hemodialysis, tend to accumulate fluoride much more quickly than normal."

      There is no dispute between those for and against fluoridation that too much fluoride damages bones. A malfunctioning kidney can allow of toxic fluoride build up in bones causing them to weaken and break - a common occurrence in kidney patients.  It doesn't matter how little fluoride is in the water. If the kidneys don't filter it out, your bones are doomed.

      Kidney disease and bone damage is on the rise - is it connected to fluoridation - no one has done those stories.  Who would fund them?  The government agencies who support fluoridation?  I think not.  The companies who profit from fluoride such as Proctor & Gamble.  Yeah, right.

      While posters here may defend fluoridation, the American Dental Association Fluoridation Facts booklet says this, "decreased fluoride removal may occur among persons with severely impaired kidney function who may not be on kidney dialysis."

      Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth.  It was a huge mistake to put it in water supplies in the first place.  No human or animal is, or ever was, fluoride deficient.

      Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

      by nyscof on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 07:13:11 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (3+ / 0-)

        Kidney disease and bone damage is on the rise - is it connected to fluoridation - no one has done those stories.

        Where is kidney disease and 'bone damage' on the rise?  Among what population groups?  What are the other possible lifestyle or environmental factors that could have contributed to this supposed rise.  What specific 'bone damage' are you refering to?  And, considering the massive numbers of people who have had regular fluoride exposure from birth to old age, wouldn't we be seeing some pretty significant levels of disease in the population?  Comparative studies would offer significant data, I would think.  My point here is, if fluoridation is as dangerous as you portray it to be, there should be significant evidence of those dangers all around us.  We have a HUGE group of people with a lifetime of exposure to look at.  So where's the data to support the fearmongering?

        By the way, your choice to try to steer the general health risks discussion into the issue of risks for certain people with a specific health problem is a dodge that doesn't impress me much.

        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

        by Triscula on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 07:29:56 AM PDT

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        •  Now Impossible (1+ / 0-)
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          Because fluoridatedwater is used to make foods and beverages and because fluoride containing pesticide residues remain on foods, it's impossible to consume a fluoride free diet.  70% of US water supplies are fluoridated.  Almost everyone uses fluoridated toothpaste.

          We have no control group.

          There are huge knowledge gaps in the fluoridation literature about safety that's acknowledged by the same groups that promote fluoridation.

          This is where logic and common sense should dictate.

          The Centers for Disease Control now concedes that fluoride's beneficial effects are topical and that fluoride ingestion does not reduce tooth decay.  However, the CDC reports that up to 48% of school children sport fluoride overdose symptoms - dental fluorosis  - white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted enamel.

          At the same time we have a cavity epidemic.  The populations with the most and more severe cavities and the most dental fluorosis are black Americans.

          New York State Department of Health statistics show that children in highly fluoridated NYS counties do not necessarily have the best rates of tooth decay and that fluoridation has not leveled out tooth decay between the haves and have-nots.

          Similar results are found when you compare highly fluoridated states

          The truth is that diet and dental care, both personal and professional, is the only protection against tooth decay.  Fluoride is just another unnecessary drug that is prescribed and administered in the most haphazard ways

          Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

          by nyscof on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 07:40:32 AM PDT

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          •  That's a pretty big number (2+ / 0-)
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            However, the CDC reports that up to 48% of school children sport fluoride overdose symptoms - dental fluorosis  - white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted enamel.

            I actually live with a couple of school children and I work with school aged children.  I spend loads of time with other parents of school aged kids too.  From this assertion above nearly half of those kids I come in contact with have symptoms of dental fluorosis.  Is there some reason why your comment is the only place that I have ever seen such an assertion?  Some reason why none of the parents I've discussed children's health and dental care with have ever mentioned that their kids are suffering from this condition?  48% is huge.  But I seen zero evidence that dental fluorosis is a serious problem among school children.  Where are the dentists on this issue?  If 48% of school aged patients are suffering from this condition I think MY OWN kids' dentist would have mentioned the problem to me.  

            "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

            by Triscula on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 08:40:10 AM PDT

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            •  Big & Correct (0+ / 0-)

              Look at the CDC's chart here:

              http://www.cdc.gov/...

              You'll see that about 52% of children aged 12-15 are UNaffected by fluorosis, leaving 48% affected - up to 4% severely

              I don't know why the CDC plays down this huge number.

              I also can't tell you why your dentists doesn't know about this.

              You can read an article by a dentist in the NYS Dental Journal which says that fluorosis is rising and harming children's self-esteem

              "Why Do I Have White Spots on My Front Teeth," by Elvir Dincer,
              DDS, New York State Dental Journal, January 2008, Page 58 Volume 74,
              Number 1
              http://www.nysdental.org/...

              Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

              by nyscof on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 08:54:51 AM PDT

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      •  We are sicker now (0+ / 0-)

        then we've ever been, with more cancers and diseases being named every single day, and we are taking more medicines then ever before.  I find that strange.

        Looking at what we eat, what food additives we take in, what chemicals we ingest is a good way to figure out why we are chronically sick. Because it would be devastating to the companies providing these chemicals, it's no surprise that they don't want these studies to be conducted, let alone made public.

        And I'm sure no one here thinks that the EPA or the FDA are above being bought and paid like the rest of the gov't agencies.

        Chuck Norris is hiding in my poo

        by dssv12 on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 09:37:59 AM PDT

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        •  "We are sicker now than we've ever been"? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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          "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

          by Meteor Blades on Sat Mar 14, 2009 at 09:45:01 AM PDT

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          •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

            yes we are.  We have more diseases and more prescriptions.  And the more prescriptions we take, the more we need to take more to balance the side-effects caused by those prescriptions.

            And then there's the fact that those prescriptions are only there to treat the symptoms, not the disease.  AIDS hasn't been contained yet, we are suffering more and more to cancers and yet you don't see that we are sicker than ever before?

            How do you not see this?

            cherry pick this!

            by dssv12 on Fri Mar 20, 2009 at 10:08:20 AM PDT

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