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  •  Now you're just babbling (0+ / 0-)

    At a lower cost than the plant.

    Last I checked, it still took fuel to make solar panels.

    -- From the report YOU cited.  Reading is fundamental.

    I'm sure that invalidates the idea of ecological socialism tout court.

    The contracts that resulted in their current spate of coal-fired build-out were signed in the 90s.

    How many degrees of global warming in the long run?

    You're going to have to show how thermodynamics applies to economics to make this work.

    Go back and read Prew.

    "You must do what you feel is right, of course" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, in Episode IV

    by Cassiodorus on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 12:42:14 PM PDT

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    •  I see you've given up. So goes socialism. nt (1+ / 0-)
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      "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

      by Maimonides on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 12:56:13 PM PDT

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      •  So please declare victory (0+ / 0-)

        and go home.  After all, it was relatively cheap -- you didn't need to deploy any evidence.

        "You must do what you feel is right, of course" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, in Episode IV

        by Cassiodorus on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 01:00:19 PM PDT

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        •  You've insisted on misunderstanding things I've (1+ / 0-)
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          explained to you twice (the difference between fuels and generators), and you continue to rely on thermodynamics and this sad "prew" character's mischaracterization of it's relation to economics to support your wn misconceptions.  

          I can't help you if you won't admit you have a problem.

          And a rhetorical victory it is.

          "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

          by Maimonides on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 01:05:23 PM PDT

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          •  So if I were problem-free (0+ / 0-)

            I can't help you if you won't admit you have a problem.

            I would accept your conclusions without the least hint of evidence supporting them?

            "You must do what you feel is right, of course" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, in Episode IV

            by Cassiodorus on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 01:33:07 PM PDT

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            •  You ignore them entirely. (1+ / 0-)
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              You've yet to address the problem of using thermodynamics, and you keep not understanding the difference between fuels and generators.  I can spell it out for you again "It takes fuel to make all generation, but once a generator is built then there is a distinct difference between those that require extraction (fossil and nuclear) and those which are, by definition, renewable."

              And really, citing some socialist thinkers who don't know that economics isn't a physical science is no way to convince me.

              "When your enemies are throwing Teabagging Protests, mock them." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

              by Maimonides on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 01:51:31 PM PDT

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              •  This is a problem only in your head (0+ / 0-)

                which continues to tell you that we shouldn't "go there."

                "You must do what you feel is right, of course" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, in Episode IV

                by Cassiodorus on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 01:57:22 PM PDT

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