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  •  which makes Europe different from Canada (0+ / 0-)

    and it's what I've been saying for weeks, even months, to the single payer group around these parts.

    It's not unreasonable to allow people to buy supplemental insurance if they can pay for it, and allow those people to purchase whatever healthcare services they decide they want. That does, however, allow them to know the true costs of those services and not depend upon the society to pay for them.

    It's still a question of whether it is just or not.

    Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

    by stitchmd on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 03:40:25 AM PDT

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    •  We cannot win this debate... (0+ / 0-)

      by selling shared sacrifice...we will lose if that is what you are selling...the majority who have health insurance coverage will not sacrifice care for thier family in order to give healthcare to the uninsured...

      Obama - Change I still believe in

      by dvogel001 on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 07:49:02 AM PDT

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      •  then, frankly, we are all screwed (0+ / 0-)

        but "the greatest country on Earth" specializes in extreme selfishness in the name of "individual freedom."

        And so we have the situation we have with health care, with the destruction of the environment, with the credit crunch, because we want it all, we want it now, and we don't want to pay for it. And we deserve it because we're exceptional. That's what Reagan told us, right? That's the mantra we've lived on for too long.

        And once some of the countries of Europe bought into that, instead of their usual idea of social good and shared sacrifice, they got screwed, too - Iceland and Ireland are the most extreme example.

        But I guess it's okay as long as you've got yours, right? If you had to truly pay the costs for all of what you've talked about getting for your family, would you feel the same way?

        Come on down to the clinic where I work some time and talk about the idea that 'shared sacrifice' ain't gonna work. Make sure you're wearing body armor, though.

        Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

        by stitchmd on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 09:28:56 AM PDT

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        •  If you want real reform... (0+ / 0-)

          it will have to be sold by getting efficiencies by not duplication of services...not by telling people hey there is this great chemotherapy...but you are not worth the cost to save your life so we will give you the inferior one...

          Obama - Change I still believe in

          by dvogel001 on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 10:18:00 AM PDT

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