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  •  The problem, in a nutshell (5+ / 0-)

     Scott Brown is an odious person, no doubt. A sickening excuse of a human being. Human slime. All that is true. He doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

     And yes, he wants to park his truck on Wall Street.

     But the problem is that the parking space is currently occupied by the Democrats' truck.

      The Democrats COULD have come down tough on the banks. They COULD have stared down the blue dogs who were sabotaging everything about health care and financial reform. They COULD have smacked around the Republicans when they cranked up their lie machine.

      But they DIDN'T. They just meekly sat by and pursued a kinder and gentler corporatism.

      And so we pay the price, once again, for Democratic timidity.

     

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:55:12 AM PST

    •  Stared down the blue dogs? (1+ / 0-)
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      Where would they have found the votes to pass bills without them?

      •  Backroom threats... (2+ / 0-)
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         The administration has never hesitated to play hardball with the progressives.

         

        "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

        by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:58:13 AM PST

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        •  Prove that (0+ / 0-)

          Provide one shred of evidence that, e.g., Joe Lieberman can be coerced into voting our way on anything.

          One shred.

          Negotiating techniques that are useful for progressives, who actually want to get something done and care about voters, are useless with people who like the status quo and could care less about their voters.

          You don't seem to understand the power of the Dark Side.

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:13:07 AM PST

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          •  Ads (0+ / 0-)

            The Republicans do this kind of thing all the time -- they run ads and propaganda campaigns to hurt the reputations of public figures, and dampen their credibility.

             A nice, effective ad campaign branding Lieberman as a liar and a thief -- which he IS -- might have made a difference...

            "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

            by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:23:48 AM PST

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            •  First backroom threats (0+ / 0-)

              now advertisements.

              Which are not very useful against a Senator such as Lieberman who isn't up for election until 2012.

              Face it - the problem is too big to fix quickly. It will take years, even decades.

              Settle in for a long war.

              In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

              by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:28:21 AM PST

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        •  What threats could they have pushed? (0+ / 0-)

          The problem here is that, on most of these bills, the Blue Dogs would be perfectly fine without anything passing. So they're not afraid and have no reason to be afraid of threats. That's the one problem with your argument.

          You can't scare people who have no problem with walking away from the deal. It's like going to a car dealership who isn't in a rush to sell a car.

    •  If you "smack around people" do you ever think (0+ / 0-)

      they will work with you?  Would you like to see another 3 years of 2009?  The President has to stand tough but also be respectful.  

    •  Uh-huh (0+ / 0-)

      Because Obama's Powers Are Great. He can change a system that has been systematically corrupted by both parties, but especially the GOP, for 30 years just by issuing a sternly worded rebuke.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:11:10 AM PST

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      •  It's not just Obama (2+ / 0-)
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         Where are the Democratic talking heads in the media calling out the Republicans on their endless lies? How did "death panels" become a household catchphrase? How many Democrats took to the airwaves and smacked down the Republicans' numerous lies on the aborted terrorist attack?

         Who was out there selling and promoting the public option (besides Obama, every two months or so, more tepidly each time)? Do the Democrats have a CLUE about messaging?

         The Democrats are perceived as wimps who stand for nothing... because they ARE wimps who stand for nothing.

        "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

        by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:16:27 AM PST

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        •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

          You think the MSM are not corporate controlled?
          You think the Overton Window has not been deliberately moved to the far right?

          The system has been corrupted. The fight will go on for the rest of your life, and mine.

          Rather than pointing fingers, gird up your loins, pick up your weapon, put your face to the enemy, and fight!

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:18:36 AM PST

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          •  Don't tell ME (2+ / 0-)
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             Tell the Democratic leadership.

             They seem to be completely clueless about the situation.

            "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

            by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:21:30 AM PST

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            •  No, I'm telling YOU (0+ / 0-)

              You're here right now, complaining about them.
              I'm telling you to stop blaming the leadership, and stop waiting for someone else to save you.
              It is YOUR job, and mine.

              Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world's grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
              The Talmud

              In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

              by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:24:39 AM PST

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              •  I think you're misplaced (1+ / 0-)
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                 I'm not talking about myself, personally, but we -- meaning Democratic activists -- have developed a very, very strong and powerful tool to beat back the corporate media, and that's the netroots and the blogosphere. There are plenty of tools available here for the Dem leadership to use if they want to effectively fight Republicans. The leadership working in conjunction with the blogs would produce amazing results.

                 Instead, they run away from us.

                 And keep on losing debates (and elections) they should be winning.

                "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

                by Buzzer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:31:25 AM PST

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                •  Peace, then (0+ / 0-)

                  That we could be used better, I have no doubt.

                  In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                  by blue aardvark on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:32:53 AM PST

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                  •  There's A Way (1+ / 0-)
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                    The Democratic "establishment" - meaning, incumbents and their sponsors - can be made to understand the problem.  Act Blue has it right:  "Primary" the wafflers.

                    "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

                    by IndieGuy on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:56:24 AM PST

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