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  •  So, are you going to reinstate the draft? (2+ / 0-)
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    malharden, dmw97

    The only solution I see to fill the positions of private contractors in your letter is to force the President to explain why "the military is unable to perform those functions"???

    Is there some other mechanism you are proposing to fill these roles?

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

    by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 09:16:28 AM PST

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    •  The military can increase recruitment (7+ / 0-)

      particularly in this economy

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      Toyota: Proof US Union Labor Still Does it Better

      by VelvetElvis on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 09:27:24 AM PST

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    •  Uh... (10+ / 0-)

      ...yeah.

      The only solution I see to fill the positions of private contractors in your letter is to force the President to explain why "the military is unable to perform those functions"???

      Is there some other mechanism you are proposing to fill these roles?

      There's The Stop Starting BS Wars Option. Even here, even now, there's that mechanism. I guess it hadn't occured to you.

      When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

      by Wom Bat on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 09:33:56 AM PST

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    •  yes nt (1+ / 0-)
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      Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell - Edward Abbey

      by ZAP210 on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 10:03:28 AM PST

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    •  The actual solution is giving up (14+ / 0-)

      on global hegemony by armed force and its threat. Then cut our military by about 4/5 and use the remainder to defend our borders. Instead of making us enemies all over the world like it does now.

      Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

      by Jim P on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 10:17:37 AM PST

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      •  I kinda agree with that.. (0+ / 0-)

        But, this bill doesn't do that, now does it?

        All it does it ties the hands of the Pentagon without actually providing any solutions.  Pretty fucking typical Washington bullshit of late, if you ask me.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 10:39:42 AM PST

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        •  It's a petition for a bill (2+ / 0-)
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          not the actual final bill itself. Will you sign to start the ball rolling to end this outsourcing disgrace?

        •  No it doesn't tie the hands of the Pentagon. (6+ / 0-)

          That's just nonsense. There's a pretty huge poll of unemployed people who can be hired as military for about 1/7 the cost of the mercenaries.

          Not to mention the historical problem with private military forces.

          And my comment is there so a Representative can see it, since that's a much much bigger problem, and it would be nice if we can start discussing that..

          Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

          by Jim P on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:31:22 AM PST

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          •  So.. you are enlisting when? (0+ / 0-)

            You seem to be rather cavalier about having the unemployed simply join up cuz they have nothing better going for them.

            Last I heard it's still a volunteer military and the army or other branches can't "hire" at will.  If you can't get them to volunteer, you are S.O.L..  And, at the rate they are dying in Afghanistan lately, that might not be so easy.

            "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

            by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:56:44 AM PST

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    •  Well if you just doulbe the amount (3+ / 0-)
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      you are willing to pay you would save because mercenaries are costing 7 times as much as regular soldiers. (Probably would get many more enlistees). Worse they simply ignore the UCMJ and the Geneva Accords. They are action movie affiacondos who think that beating someone who is a non-combatant is the way to start your day. And if that non combatant is a child of the enemy race or religion... that is even better.

      We can see what happens to out of bounds men with guns (and some women) by what happened in NO, LA years ago...

      Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:05:07 AM PST

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    •  How about the troops in places like.. (8+ / 0-)

      Japan, Germany or South-Korea. There are about 150.000 US troops in those 3 countries alone. Can't they replace some of the contractors? The US has currently over 700 bases in a 140 countries. I don't think reinstating the draft or recruiting new troops would be necessary.

      •  How about ending the wars (5+ / 0-)
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        Zinman, kurt, Calamity Jean, geomoo, Arza

        That would be the sensible thing.  Of course, as such it's "off the table" and probably considered radical by now.

      •  Yes, close those overseas bases (1+ / 0-)
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        Most of them serve no good purpose and cost us an enormous amount of money.  So let's start bringing the troops home or move them someplace else where they are really needed at present, including the replacement of contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq.

        If we have these overseas bases just as symbols of our global empire, it is essential that we change our priorities.  I don't think we should be in the imperialism business, and the sooner we stop the better.

        Mercenaries are a threat to our democracy.  End that practice forever.

        Is 11 dimension chess really just magical thinking?

        by Zinman on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 04:14:23 PM PST

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        •  like we need '268 Bases in Germany, 124 in (1+ / 0-)
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          Japan,' check out the link below...
          Too Many Overseas Bases

          By David Vine. Edited by Emily Schwartz Greco, February 25, 2009

          In the midst of an economic crisis that’s getting scarier by the day, it’s time to ask whether the nation can really afford some 1,000 military bases overseas. For those unfamiliar with the issue, you read that number correctly. One thousand. One thousand U.S. military bases outside the 50 states and Washington, DC, representing the largest collection of bases in world history.

          Officially the Pentagon counts 865 base sites, but this notoriously unreliable number omits all our bases in Iraq (likely over 100) and Afghanistan (80 and counting), among many other well-known and secretive bases. More than half a century after World War II and the Korean War, we still have 268 bases in Germany, 124 in Japan, and 87 in South Korea. Others are scattered around the globe in places like Aruba and Australia, Bulgaria and Bahrain, Colombia and Greece, Djibouti, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, Romania, Singapore, and of course, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba — just to name a few. Among the installations considered critical to our national security are a ski center in the Bavarian Alps, resorts in Seoul and Tokyo, and 234 golf courses the Pentagon runs worldwide."

          http://www.fpif.org/...

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 09:41:16 PM PST

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        •  Yesterday I emailed this to the White House, (2+ / 0-)
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          both Senators and my Representative:

          Cutting Social Security and other entitlement programs won't cure the budget deficit "crisis",

          Half of the current deficit is caused by George W. Bush's tax cuts, so allowing them to expire will reduce our budget problem enormously.  Revoking the Reagan tax cuts would improve the nation's budget even more.  

          If that isn't enough, cut the military!  Why does our one nation need as much "defense" spending as the whole rest of the world combined?  We have an enormous Navy, hundreds of missles, more hundreds of airplanes, and bases all over the world.  Close some bases, especially those outside the US, mothball some ships, decommission some missles, and park some planes out in the desert. Then see how the budget looks.  Obviously, pay for the troops, and money for equipment they actually use, shouldn't be cut.

          America needs health care, renewable energy, and jobs.  There's no reason we can't have them, IF we rescind the Reagan and Bush tax cuts, and quit trying to be the bully of the world.  

          Seems a little pertinent.

          Renewable energy brings national security.

          by Calamity Jean on Wed Feb 24, 2010 at 07:57:16 AM PST

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    •  Do We Really Need A Draft? (2+ / 0-)
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      kurt, Ezekial 23 20

      Considering that we needed a faux War on Terror to even have the conversation, and to spend trillions to avenge Daddy's honor in Iraq, I'm going with "no" in this one.

      •  I was being snarky.. (2+ / 0-)
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        Vinnie Vegas, Calamity Jean

        everyone seems to think I was being serious.

        It just seems like a one-sided approach to the problem of mercenaries.  Something a little more comprehensive that provides additional troops to take their place would be more to my liking.

        Like this:  Enlist in a new special branch of the armed services.  No traditional combat ever.  This branch will perform the duties currently being outsourced to mercenaries, like security detail, etc.. I bet you there would be a lot of enlistees.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 12:19:52 PM PST

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