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  •  Well, yes and no... (0+ / 0-)

    It doesn't have a "real" competitor, but it has a competitor that a significant minority of the population thinks is real.

    Is it then not significant that although the "imagined" alternative offers no empirical evidence to support it in any scientific kind of way, enough believers exist to have an impact in a political way.

    I'm not arguing that the believers are correct, I'm simply stating that they are significant, both in terms of percentage of population and in terms of political implications, and should therefore be mentioned.  

    "The government has got into the hands of the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy." -- Woodrow Wilson

    by DickMacgurn on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 04:00:45 PM PDT

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    •  The only mention that (7+ / 0-)

      creationism should have in the classroom is something along the lines of...

      "Anyone who think creationism is real is a fucking idiot.  Now lets move on to reality."

      As it is a public classroom, I might be willing to not say "fucking", the rest stands.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 04:06:29 PM PDT

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      •  I'm cool with that, that's basically my argument. (2+ / 0-)
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        Although I worded it a bit more diplomatically.

        We both are willing to mention the alternative viewpoint, I was just looking for a more scientific way of presenting the common alternative from a historical point of view.

        Creationism was the "only" theory for the better part of history until evolution blew it out of the water with actual empirical evidence.

        "The government has got into the hands of the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy." -- Woodrow Wilson

        by DickMacgurn on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 04:15:08 PM PDT

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        •  ummm....you do realize that there are non- (3+ / 0-)
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          Judeo-Christian societies on this planet, right?

          •  And they ALL have Creation Myths...all different! (1+ / 0-)
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            If it's
            Not your body
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            AND it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 07:52:40 PM PDT

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            •  All creationist myths have one thing in common. (0+ / 0-)

              All creationist myths believe that life was created by supernatural being(s). That's why I never mentioned any specific religions.

              The only time I mentioned any specific religion was when I mentioned Galileo and his struggle against the Catholic church with his theory of heliocentricity. In that case it was specifically Christians who persecuted him.

              "The government has got into the hands of the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy." -- Woodrow Wilson

              by DickMacgurn on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 08:11:40 PM PDT

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          •  I have included all belief systems. (0+ / 0-)

            I never referred to any specific religions. I believe it is necessary to discuss the fact that prior to Darwin, the creationist myth was the only explanation that people had for the existence of life. Since Darwin, there has been an ongoing struggle to educate people because the traditional beliefs have managed to hold strong in many communities. And yes, that includes many Christian communities, Jewish, Islamic, and etc...

            "The government has got into the hands of the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy." -- Woodrow Wilson

            by DickMacgurn on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 07:56:26 PM PDT

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    •  I agree with you in sentiment but (5+ / 0-)

      we're talking about a science class here. Among scientists there really isn't another theory for evolution. Just because there is significant doubt among non-scientists doesn't mean this doubt must be acknowledged in the science classroom. Let's remember, the "science" of Intelligent Design only exists to cast doubt on Evolution. It is not a science with any properties of its own.

      "I think the earth is a living being. I keep waiting for it to rear up and scrape us all off its back." - Tom Waits

      by frankzappatista on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 05:40:59 PM PDT

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      •  There is no "science" of inteligent design. (1+ / 0-)
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        the "science" of Intelligent Design only exists to cast doubt on Evolution.

        I'm not advocating calling it "science". It is no more than a "widely held belief". It's relevance is in the historical context of the theory of evolution and the struggle that Darwin had against the prevailing superstitions of his time. We talk about Darwin in science, so why not talk about the strong opposition that he faced and give it a name:

        Darwin discovered the process of evolution that revolutionized the way we understand heredity. Despite this monumental breakthrough he faced stiff opposition due to religious superstitions.

        Does it really hurt that much to hear the truth?

        "The government has got into the hands of the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy." -- Woodrow Wilson

        by DickMacgurn on Sun Apr 04, 2010 at 06:12:18 PM PDT

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