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  •  You're mixing up truth and truthiness (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, people have a moral right to freedom of speech.  And they have a legal right to protection against suppression of free speech by the government.  That does not mean that they have a legal right to the protection of free speech against suppression by anyone.  That is why people's comments can be HR'd here and they can be banned for what they say here.

    The arguments you deride aren't red herrings.  These are people who know the law.  If you want the freedom to deride your non-governmental employer, you have to bargain for it.  You have to be willing, very likely, to strike.  That's where we are.

    "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:36:05 PM PDT

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    •  Where does the diarist make a legal argument? (0+ / 0-)

      I read the diarist as making a moral argument.  Where does he/she claim that what Temple is doing is illegal?

      Yes, the diarist characterizes Temple's position as "the Constitution doesn't apply to you", but that seems pretty accurate: "The Constitution doesn't apply to you, so go suck it."

      I'm not arguing that Temple is doing something illegal (I thought I was plain on that point).  My problem is with arguments that because it is not illegal, the diarist's complaint is invalid.  That because it's not the government abridging these people's right to free speech, we shouldn't be bothered by it.

      To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

      by sneakers563 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:00:22 PM PDT

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      •  I was responding to comments (0+ / 0-)

        from people who clearly, as reading them will show you, did not get it and don't share the position that you present here.

        "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:33:32 PM PDT

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      •  Any argument invoking the Constitution (0+ / 0-)

        is a legal argument by definition.

        The Constitution is a purely legal document. It has no meaning or weight outside the confines of the government that it defines.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 02:46:22 PM PDT

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    •  If you read the diary, you'll see the title is (1+ / 0-)
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      a result of a quote by an administrator.  There's no claim that constitutional rights are being violated.  Making that assumption is a knee jerk reaction on your part.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:08:54 PM PDT

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      •  Commenters were making that claim (0+ / 0-)

        if you'll read the comments, and distinguish my replies to commenters to my reply to the diary itself.  So no, this wasn't knee-jerk.  The diary was fine, I did see where the quote came from, but many commenters didn't get it.  'Kay?

        "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:32:39 PM PDT

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        •  Oh my. A little sensative there, hey? (0+ / 0-)
          Your post certainly didn't make that clear, and I was responding to your post, not to other commenters.  But sorry for having the audicity of addressing you.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 08:53:11 AM PDT

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