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  •  12 Months of School (11+ / 0-)

    High school should have regular Summer sessions that are optional and include a larger athletic programme than the rest of the year. The public pays for the infrastructure year round, teachers need to be paid more money annually, parents can use the "daycare", students need more education.

    Long Summer vacations are a holdover from when America's children were needed to work on farms. Indeed, 6 hour school days are a holdover from when children used to work. Neither of those requirements are typical for any but a small fraction of students.

    If America's students got 15% more hours of school days and 25% more days, almost 50% more time in school, America would be stronger and better educated.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 11:12:21 AM PDT

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    •  The only caveat is (11+ / 0-)

      we must not eliminate the opportunities for children to learn those things that can't be taught in school.

      I was a notoriously bad student, primarily due to the complete lack of interesting challenges.  I learned a great deal outside of school.  Were you to read my CV now, you probably wouldn't believe that.

      Justice deferred is justice denied. -MLK

      by zephron on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 11:25:13 AM PDT

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      •  Extracurriculum (5+ / 0-)

        I'd like to see kids get school credit for what they learn outside of school. It's important adults can claim education when they compete with each other for later education or work, or just their own self esteem. Achievement testing should measure more practical application of skills, not just reporting the words taught to kids able to remember and parrot the teachers.

        I say this as a talented standardized test taker who's taught myself more than most people have, for fun and profit.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 11:37:44 AM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately, even the notion of "credit" (4+ / 0-)
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          is complicated.  Not all useful skills are easy to measure.  How does one compare vastly differing backgrounds among job candidates?  What, even, does a given grade mean (diligence, mastery, promise; not all A's are the same, even within a single class)?  But yes, I agree that it might be nice to appreciate the extracurricular experiences more.  Perhaps they would then be encouraged more often.

          Justice deferred is justice denied. -MLK

          by zephron on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 11:45:16 AM PDT

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      •  You also were probably pushed to study something (1+ / 0-)
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        when you weren't ready or had got it and were ready to move on.

        Fear is the Mind Killer

        by boophus on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 12:48:25 PM PDT

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        •  From the very beginning I had (4+ / 0-)
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          a visceral dislike for busy work.  The number of teachers I had who did not assign busy work could be counted on one hand.  That's par for the course, of course.  On the other hand, however, I did get to keep some semblance of creativity!  And I did get busy doing very interesting things in college and beyond.  So, things turned out alright in the end.  

          In fact, of particular relevance to this discussion, I have a BS in Mathematics and Physics and a PhD in the latter.  So it is not as if I was turned off of math as a result.

          Justice deferred is justice denied. -MLK

          by zephron on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 01:06:34 PM PDT

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      •  I agree, which is why an optional (1+ / 0-)
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        session is so valuable, and why it should have all kinds of project-based learning and activities that are different from the regular curriculum.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 03:05:30 PM PDT

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    •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 12:47:26 PM PDT

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    •  Even at 45, the thought of studying for those (3+ / 0-)
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      stupid bleeding NCLB tests and going as slow as the slowest fucking student for 12 months and for 8 hours a day would have made me suicidal, homicidal or both.

      9 times out of 10, school is not a place of learning, it is a place of indoctrination.  My real education began in college and most before that was auto-didactic.

      Repubs - the people in power are not secretly plotting against you. They don't need to. They already beat you in public. (Bill Maher)

      by Sychotic1 on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 02:07:44 PM PDT

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    •  Hah! In my small town district, the school board (1+ / 0-)
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      suggested increasing the school day by ten minutes because the district was dangerously close to the state mandated minimum hours of instruction per year. The parents revolted and forced to board to consider other options. So instead the lunch periods, activity period, and class change intervals were all shortened to increase the instructional time.

      "We will restore science to its rightful place." Barack Obama, 1/20/2009

      by Poycer on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 05:50:45 PM PDT

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