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    •  While your point is perfectly correct (1+ / 0-)
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      as to basketball becoming an entertainment venue, to repeat myself, putting paid asses in the seats, the game, as it used to be played, on the floor, was far more suited to the non-athletically gifted.
      It's one of the reasons I've become a fan of women's b-ball, not that the players aren't athletically gifted, particularly at the highest levels, but women generally play a much more team oriented game, where most of the significant action takes place not on the ball handler, but one or two passes, picks, and screens away from how the play eventually turns out.
      Similarly with team defense, it's not the one woman to beat, but the second and third defender rotating properly, that makes the game enjoyable, at least for this old timer.
      It's like the difference between fast pitch and slow pitch sofball. In fast pitch the team with the best pitcher almost always wins. Nobody can hit him/her. In slow pitch everybody can hit the ball, the question becomes how the defense, as a team, handles it.
      There's an inherent contradiction in my example, since fast pitch games are often 1-0 or 2-1, while slow pitch game are often 20-18 affairs.
      What is not contradictory, IMHO, is that in one case a superstar can carry a so called team, in the other it takes the entire team to prevail.

      I had a brother at Khe Sanh, fightin' off them Viet Cong, they're still there, but he's all gone. The Boss

      by DaNang65 on Mon Apr 19, 2010 at 06:44:23 PM PDT

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      •  But you're acting like Bob Cousy wasn't athletic (1+ / 0-)
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        or Jerry West or Pistol Pete weren't superb athletes. They were terrific athletes as well.

        And last time I checked, the women's NCAA, the WNBA, and the defunct ABL (which was a better league than the WNBA when they both started) did use the shot clock.

        •  There's so many parts to your comment that I'm (0+ / 0-)

          not sure where to begin replying. Perhaps by going last to first.
          All of the leagues you mention are professional despite the NCAA's protestations to the contrary, the money comes from putting paid butts on the seats. That is, they're not played by guys/gals for the love of the game, but the price of admission. Most, if not all, fans of today, pay to see action, which they have been conditioned to see as the run and gun, time clock's winding down, version of the game. I admit it's great fan entertainment, much more understanable to the usual fan than a seemingly slow moving (despite the constant action away from the ball) of no shot clock ball. It takes a real afficiando to appreciate the picks, blocks, screens, etc. which lead to the high percentage shot. And I don't mean 40% from the field, I'm talking 80% or better.
          Cousy and Maravich were magicians with the ball, but any number of current NBA pine riders would eat their lunch on defense. The Logo is a bit more problematic, his competitiveness would probably earn him a spot on anybody's NBA roster, but he certainly wouldn't be the star today he was then.

          Especially since you brought up Cousy, who was recruited to Holy Cross out of Andrew Jackson H.S. in the Bronx by the physician who delivered me and treated me until I left home, let me bring up one of his starting team mates "Jungle" Jim Luscotoff, who may have had an athletic bone in his body, but he kept it well hidden. Or even Cousy's running mate at guard, Bill Sharman, an incredibly good shooter who couldn't guard anybody. Or Tommy "Ack Ack" Heinsohn, who's 6'8 height was a tremendous asset for a Fifties player but athletic, please.
          For my money, since this somehow seems to be about white guys in the NBA, Steve Nash is as gifted as anybody you mention, but who can he guard?

          I had a brother at Khe Sanh, fightin' off them Viet Cong, they're still there, but he's all gone. The Boss

          by DaNang65 on Tue Apr 20, 2010 at 05:04:00 PM PDT

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