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  •  Um, yeah, but.. (13+ / 0-)

    Begala saying it's a lie doesn't count.

    He's one of us.

    You need somebody that has plausible objectivity to say it's a lie, then maybe something like this would get some traction.

    If somebody with the gravitas of says Walter Cronkite said it was a lie, then you may get some momentum in terms of unmasking once and for all the lie machine that is the republican party. Have you noticed anybody in the MSM with that kind of balls?

    Me neither.

    Short of that, don't get all excited that because Paul Begala called Mitch McConnell a liar that it's some kind of turning point in the war on stupidity in this country.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 05:26:41 AM PDT

    • bites man (7+ / 0-)

      Luntz's talking points will work.  Because Republicans won't move off of them with the help of FOX, Drudge, and RW talk radio, unlike Democrats who ditch there messaging at the first sign of trouble.

      Republicans drove the country into a ditch, and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck. - Jim Cornette

      by justmy2 on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 06:22:47 AM PDT

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    •  True, and that's the shortcoming (13+ / 0-)

      of today's media and its corporate ownership.  There is no Cronkite.  There is no one for whom the "American people" will turn to for a universally objective assessment.  By definition, anyone who disagrees with their preconceived views is biased for the other side.  This politicization of the news and its intermingling with ill-informed and inflammatory punditry has been created by and maintained by corporations who care not a whit for truth and information; but exist to maximize their shareholder value.  If there's no profit in truth, we will never hear it on the news.

      You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

      by rb608 on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 06:34:22 AM PDT

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      •  That's not because of media ownership (5+ / 0-)

        by corporations. The big broadcast networks were ALWAYS corporate.

        It's much more a function of the proliferation of other ways to get news and the splintering of the audience than corporate ownership.

        In the 60s, you had three places to get news - the newspapers, radio, and TV. Radio and TV were pretty much the same (and often run by the same networks except for the local news). Newspapers also got a lot of their news (except local news) from the same syndicates.

        But everybody basically got the same news, and from the same sources. The news organizations took it seriously, and tried to report the truth.

        Now? Now it's much more like it was in the early 20th century. Lots of competing news sources, but preaching to the choir in many cases. Lots of slanted news. If you don't like the conclusions of one source, go find another - there's plenty to choose from.

        •  The right wing "tractor beam of bullshit"... (1+ / 0-)
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          has enormous powers to keep their minions hypnotized to the point where they won't even consider other points of view, even ones that would formerly be considered apolitical or objective.

          Even if a modern day Cronkite emerged from the MSM muck, it's very debatable whether even an honest broker such as that could advance the ball in our favor.

          It is a huge problem for us, one that I don't think can really be overcome in the short term.

          The one thing we have going for us is that this demographic is shrinking in terms of the percentage of the electorate, so eventually the problem will take care of itself. Not by what we actively do, but just the fact that thankfully these assholes are dissappearing.

          "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

          by jkay on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 09:04:27 AM PDT

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          •  I don't buy that (1+ / 0-)
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            It's a reinforcement loop, for sure, but people watch that because it resonates with beliefs they already have.

            If you think the world's going to hell in a handbasket because gays don't want to have to hide who they are anymore, and because there are too many women/'minorities'/etc. in positions of power, and the govt is trying to control too much, you're going to like Faux News, because they're telling you you're RIGHT.

            And if you don't have those beliefs, you're not going to spend much time with Faux News because it will sound wrong and stupid to you. (It IS wrong and stupid, but not to those who want to hear that crap)

            The difference before was that there wasn't anything else to watch. People who believed stuff like that were forced to hear other viewpoints and opinions if they wanted to get any news.

    •  jkay - you are right (5+ / 0-)
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      Having Begala call McConnell a liar means nothing. Bebala will be viewed as a Dem partisan just ramping up divisive rhetoric.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 06:42:26 AM PDT

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