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  •  perhaps I can't do anything about it (13+ / 0-)

    except to condemn it. But, I certainly wouldn't give it a pass as being the result of a "cultural" value any more than I would call the extermination of German Jews a "cultural" practice.

    •  Is a man murdering his wife a cultural practice? (7+ / 0-)

      Should European countries, Japan, or China, take specific measures aimed at changing American culture so that this happens less often (assuming it happens more often here, which I'm pretty sure it does)? What if the EU or Japan proposed this as a priority in diplomatic relations with the US?

      Of course, like probably most people here, I strongly believe American culture should be changed to reduce misogynistic violence. This is a revolution that needs to happen in our society. But it's not enough just to support this in principle. It's critical that we talk specifics. Donald Rumsfeld supposedly said that American bombs have been one of the most effective tools for liberating Afghan women. Even this seemingly obvious principle that we should struggle to end gendered violence can be misapplied or abused.

      ORGANIZE early, ORGANIZE often.

      by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 07:12:56 PM PDT

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      •  journeyman presents an important question BUT (2+ / 0-)
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        only presents limited choices.  

        nonviolent persuasion and education that engages the local hierarchy of power--for example tribal elders--has been effective in changing the practice of female genital mutilation.  Greg mortenson says that engaging the elders is a cornerstone to any change in afghanistan.

        we can object to powerless women and children being exploited and suffering from oppression.  but these individuals are also the ones who suffer when our bombs and bullets tear them to pieces.

        there's no money involved in nonviolence.  and that's reason enough why our military-industrial-lobbying-congressional complex doesn't employ such approaches.

        who said that only politicians and soldiers are the ones to effect change?  for too long, it is these very individuals who have bankrupted our public treasuries, have involved us in quagmires while slaughtering millions of people abroad, and have guaranteed that WE will pay in future blowback.

    •  I was w/you till you went all Goodwin (0+ / 0-)


      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 07:52:46 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, I think the question would be apt (0+ / 0-)

        If I had actually an argument in support of cultural relativism.  I did not.  But if I had, the question would have been reasonable.

        The fact of the matter is that the Nazis are a part of history and to place them off limits in any debate is foolishness posing as wisdom.

        "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

        by journeyman on Sat Apr 17, 2010 at 04:39:27 AM PDT

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    •  So in other words (1+ / 0-)
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      You're in favor of the international equivalent of a sternly worded letter.  Except that it's not quite even that much.

      I'm sure oppressed women everywhere will be sleeping easier tonight.

      I am not calling for accepting something on cultural grounds.

      I'm saying that force is sometimes necessary, that in order to live in a moral world, we must sometimes do morally repugnant things.  I want to know if you would support doing such things or if righteous indignation is as far as your willing to go.

      "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

      by journeyman on Sat Apr 17, 2010 at 03:42:44 AM PDT

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