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  •  The heirarchy of the RCC (6+ / 0-)

    knowingly serves to protect the criminal actions of it's employees; so it's not quite the same thing, is it?

    Your statement:

    "while condeming all Catholics as cultist brainwashed pedophiles?" is a canard - I've never seen a poster say that here, and he or she did, they would be torn to ribbons in an instant.  

    Inflammatory and ridiculous characterizations like this

    "Frankly, I've read and studied the Koran, and the teachings and sayings of Mohammed, and I do believe them to be evil. Flat-out murderous psychotic evil."

    are grounds for banning.

    You have been reported to the administrators.

    •  All these years we've been at war w/ Muslim (4+ / 0-)

      countries, you would think that people would have looked up something about Islam, by now.  

      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:11:56 PM PDT

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      •  It's easier to hate, and not learn. (2+ / 0-)
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        Most human beings seem to typically resist learning, unless there's "something in it for them". Kids are conditioned, bribed, cajoled into learning. Some do it because they grow to like it.

        Sadly too many adults are already set in their ways; if one doesn't have a natural proclivity to be curious in the search for truth, one will fabricate a truth that matches what ever narrative tickles their fancy.

        •  ...and then suppress viewpoints..... (0+ / 0-)

          ...that don't match that narrative.

          You make a good point.

          If you hate government, don't run for office.

          by Bensdad on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:22:11 PM PDT

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          •  Bigotry is not a valid viewpoint, it's bias. (1+ / 0-)
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            It making prejudgments based upon ignorance.

            Like when Tea Baggers call Obama a Kenyan, or claim he's a socialist or a communist. Those aren't valid viewpoints, either.

            •  Unfortunately...... (1+ / 0-)
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              ....some use the term "bigotry" as an excuse for blanket suppression of speech that is critical of fundamentalist expressions of religion.

              While I agree that "bigotry" is not a "valid viewpoint", it is not, in fact, a viewpoint at all, but the refusal to entertain other viewpoints.

              Ironically, although the term "bigotry"  has been used a lot in this thread, there is an argument that when someone ruthlessly hide-rates comments they don't like (as opposed to comments that are hide-ratable under the rules), they are expressing a form of resistance to divergent viewpoints that is nothing more than a form of bigotry itsself. After all, bigotry is the intolerance of views other than your own.

              Such a shame and a very high irony. There is a higher ground. Take it.

              If you hate government, don't run for office.

              by Bensdad on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:27:50 PM PDT

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    •  How can that possibly be grounds for banning? (4+ / 0-)

      I mean, I'm not going to claim to be some sort of exalted expert, but I do have a lowly minor in religious studies and have indeed read and studied the Koran and Hadith.  I am most certainly within my rights to believe that these texts are evil, as they promote bigotry, intolerance, murder, and hate.  They really, honestly do, in my opinion.  I believe you can make the same argument of most religious texts, which is what led me me to oppose religion altogether.  But "banning" for a personal opinion about "holy texts" which glorify bloodshed?  What the hell kind of Democrat are you?

      "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

      by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:18:10 PM PDT

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      •  If you have a minor in religious studies (0+ / 0-)

        why did you compare Muslims, to Roman Catholics?

        GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

        by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:21:13 PM PDT

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        •  That wasn't the point (2+ / 0-)
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          The majority of Christians worldwide ARE Catholics.  We happen to live in one of the few countries in which protestant religions have gained a decent foothold, but so what.  My comment was about the religious texts, and Catholics and protestants share the same religious texts.  Muslims share the same religious texts as well.  There are many elements of the Old and New Testaments which, by modern standards, are indeed quite evil.  There are many elements of the Koran and the Hadith which, again by modern standards, are indeed quite evil.  With most historic documents, we can put certain things in context.  But with religion, it's different, because Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike all believe their holy texts are sacred and, at least of varying degrees, represent the true and uncorrupted word of God.  Yet when you read these texts, you are struck with an overwhelming sense of "holy crap - they're promoting rape, murder, and genocide" and there's just no way to get around it.  The whole "well, uh, these stories are metaphors" only goes so far.  The only reason we tolerate this level of evil being promoted as "good" is because we were taught to respect religion in a different way than we respect other beliefs.  Well, WHY?  I fail to understand how any modern society can tolerate or excuse the level of bloodthirsty evil that soaks the "infallible" texts of the largest world religions.  Now, this opinion has nothing to do with the morals of the practitioners of these faiths, anymore than I'd claim someone who enjoyed Roman Polanski's "The Pianist" means they support statutory rape.  But come on.  I get HRed because I say the text of the Koran and the collected teachings of Mohammed do, indeed, contain some pretty evil shit?  Could any rational, educated person seriously deny such an assertion?  I am absolutely baffled why it's okay to make fun of fundamentalist Christians, Mormons, Scientologists, etc., but Islam is in a special protected holier-than-thou class in which no criticism can be permitted.  Mind-blowing, really.

          "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

          by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:42:36 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, it is all that simple (1+ / 0-)
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            you know protestants (all of them) share the same Bible as Catholics,  there aren't any Protestant sects that believe the King James Version of the Bible is the only true version. Let's not even talk about Orthodox churches...

            There are 1 billion Catholics, and all of those Catholics all the same none of them do a little extra on the side.

            I think you paint w/a very broad brush.  That's really the issue.

            GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

            by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:47:02 PM PDT

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          •  come back to me when you are talking about (0+ / 0-)

            sects, and different Muslim scholars.

            GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

            by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:51:17 PM PDT

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      •  is this also evil? (2+ / 0-)
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        lazybum, Shhs

        ORGANIZE early, ORGANIZE often.

        by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:26:51 PM PDT

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      •  It's not about you..... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...there is an invisible line in the minds of two or three people who choose suppression over letting the dialog continue.

        Their scurrilous assertions that others are bigots are void for vagueness, but that doesn't stop them from asserting them and derailing the dialog.

        Religion is a sensitive subject, worldwide really. It is sad that we cannot have a debate about the deleterious results of fundamentalist interpretations of religion in this forum.

        But we can't.

        If you hate government, don't run for office.

        by Bensdad on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:56:24 PM PDT

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        •  Your pal didn't say (0+ / 0-)

          "fundamentalist interpretations of religion".

          Unless, of course, he is a fundamentalist himself.
          You have a way of twisting words to fit your bigotry.

          It strikes me as an intellectually very slimy thing to do.

          If your buddy had qualified his statement, that some people use the what is in Koran or the Bible to motivate people to violence, I would not have a problem with that.

          Frankly, I've read and studied the Koran, and the teachings and sayings of Mohammed, and I do believe them to be evil. Flat-out murderous psychotic evil.

          Leaves little to the imagination.

          There are people in this country who call themselves Muslim, and since they believe in the words of the Koran, what conclusion should the reader presume from this statement?

          Are all Muslims evil?
          This is what you are defending.

          •  I disagree with what he has said...... (0+ / 0-)

            .....but I will defend his right to say it and the importance of the community to hear it. You continue to call me a bigot. That is a personal and unjustified attack. And that is against the rules.

            If you hate government, don't run for office.

            by Bensdad on Sat Apr 17, 2010 at 07:43:04 AM PDT

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      •  Well then, talk about the evil in all these books (3+ / 0-)
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        Ahianne, lazybum, Shhs

        Islamophobia (which is what your original remarks read like) has real consequences, in this country, and in our foreign policy.  

        If you want to write a diary about how holy texts from various religions condone violence, slavery, misogyny, etc., I'll be right there with you.  You'll still take criticism, but it could be a worthy topic.  

        But in the absence of a comparative religions context, comments like your first one sound a lot like the kind of crusading, ignorant self-righteousness that leads to violence against Muslims.  Has lead to violence against Muslims.  And that's why it got hide-rates.

        My comments may not be used for any purpose without explicit permission.

        by cai on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:58:20 PM PDT

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      •  Your statement (2+ / 0-)
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        lazybum, Shhs

        "while condeming all Catholics as cultist brainwashed pedophiles" is unsubstantiated. No one here has ever said such a thing. No one here has ever demonized Catholicism as a religion in the way you assert. It's a strawman.

        That alone is hide rateable on its face.

        Your summary judgment that the Koran is evil is hate speech. It's sort of ironic, you asking for the right to spout hate speech, and impugning my 'kind of Democrat' like it has any meaning to me. Do you think you are insulting me by?

        I'm not a Democrat.
        I'm a Democratic Socialist.

        This place is supposed to have rules against bigotry: your hate speech violates these precepts.

        Your weak attempts to cover your ass with generalizations and double speak now do not absolve you of the hate speech that you posted above.

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