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  •  ok - I think I understand now (2+ / 0-)
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    You say that your fear was "obviously, continuing the war in Afghanistan or expanding it to other countries". You don't disagree with my claim that the idea the US would invade Turkey is this side of inconceivable, so I'm going to guess that this isn't one of the countries you're talking about. Obviously, if it was, you'd have to have a credible scenario where we would invade Turkey.

    So, if I understand you, you're not talking about this diary per se, but about how we need to be careful that our criticisms don't help the war party. I agree, good point.

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    by efraker on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:41:32 PM PDT

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    •  I am talking about this diary, it contributes (1+ / 0-)
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      to the mistaken belief that the US is in some kind of culture war with other countries over women's rights. This perception is already being used to promote wars such as that in Afghanistan. The fact that governments of Muslim(-majority) countries actually share the goals of the VAWA (in many if not most cases) is something the war party is eager to obscure, and something this diary doesn't do anything to help make clear. Which is a shame, because that would actually be a better representation of what the VAWA was about in the first place. Instead we get this horror story that sparks half a dozen comments criticizing... multiculturalism, and probably none of these people has a clue what the bill is even doing.

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      by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:10:01 PM PDT

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      •  I don't appreciate being called the war (1+ / 0-)
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        party here. I think you've mischaracterized the intent of this diary. This is about a civil rights issue, nothing more than that.

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        by slinkerwink on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:11:25 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't call you the war party, and your intent (1+ / 0-)
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          is not the target of my criticism, it's how you carried it out by writing about a subject that is sensationalized by the war party.

          Look, I appreciate the work you've done promoting healthcare reform here, and I completely support the IVAWA. But I think you made some mistakes in this diary. The IVAWA is about preventing mass-rapes and promoting micro-lending to women and education and programs that protect women against domestic violence. And instead, half of the initial comments--that's probably not even an exaggeration--were about how awful honor killings are and how some cultures are superior to others and how multiculturalism is bad and religions are all evil.

          I assume this wasn't the intent of your diary. But that's what people are talking about. Honor killings, while they are a serious problem that we absolutely should be taking special measures to address, simply were not the right issue to use to introduce people to the IVAWA.

          I know my criticisms have been harsh, but please take this as constructive criticism and try to see where I and others are coming from. I doubt there's a single person here who really disagrees with the IVAWA, and yet here we have this raging argument...

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          by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:42:50 PM PDT

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      •  madness of crowds (1+ / 0-)
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        it contributes to the mistaken belief that the US is in some kind of culture war with other countries over women's rights. This perception is already being used to promote wars such as that in Afghanistan...

        ...Instead we get this horror story that sparks half a dozen comments criticizing... multiculturalism, and probably none of these people has a clue what the bill is even doing.

        Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me; I see your point.

        You know, Seneca Doane wrote a great, well-reasoned, non-sensational diary about human rights in Afghanistan that went absolutely nowhere. He had a specific report he wanted to discuss and perhaps... two? three? of his respondents actually read it.

        I think your point about being careful about how what we write could be used against our interests is valid in general, but I just disagree that its applicable in regards to this diary. This diary is about a non-Arab secular democratic NATO ally who placed themselves in mortal danger by front-lining nuclear weapons for us during the cold war; yes - you are correct to point out that some people misinterpreted it, and took it as evidence of their own preconceived opinions that multiculturalism is a dead end.

        I don't think this diary was anything but a marginally 'on-topic' opportunity to share them.

        Finally - could you please diary more? I think you'd write great foreign policy diaries.

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        by efraker on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:37:37 PM PDT

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