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  •  If there were a Muslim equivalent to the (3+ / 0-)
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    Catholic Church, and they were perpetrating and covering up child abuse on a mass scale, then people saying "The Muslimic Church is evil" would be justified.

    But there is, they aren't, and you're a bigot.

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    by cai on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:49:00 PM PDT

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    •  That's a distinction without a difference (0+ / 0-)

      Catholicism and Islam are both religions, of more or less equal size.  It is true that there are protestant religions, which also call themselves Christians, who add to the total number of Christians.  But it's certainly not incorrect to say Catholicism is a religion, too.  You're confusing the hierarchy of a church with what constitutes a religion.

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      by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:53:42 PM PDT

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      •  NO you are so wrong on that. (1+ / 0-)
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        Catholicism is a forum of Christianity.  Even if you were "right" and Catholicism is its own special religion, Islam still is not the same.  Jeez, Sunni and Shia, totally love each other and believe the same thing right?  Twelthers are the same as Seveners

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        by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:56:50 PM PDT

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        •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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          Catholics believe themselves to be a separate religion than other Christians.  As a confirmed Catholic, whose dad is a Catholic teacher, whose three aunts are Catholic nuns, and who studied this rather intensely most of his life, yes, I feel quite qualified to speak on this.  Protestant faiths, to the Catholic view, aren't really Christians.  Kinda like Vegetarians who eat sushi aren't really Vegetarians.

          But AGAIN, the whole point is not about the religion, its about the holy texts.  The books themselves, not the modern apologist's interpretation of them.

          "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

          by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:00:54 PM PDT

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          •  Fine speak for Catholics, but you don't know (0+ / 0-)

            diddly when it comes to Islam.

            GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

            by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:01:54 PM PDT

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            •  Nor did I claim to (2+ / 0-)
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              And I didn't comment on the tenants or morality of Islam.  Just the holy books themselves, which any of us can open up, read, and find dozens if not hundreds of examples of bloodthirsty, evil content.  This is absolutely undeniable.  The fact that the Old and New testaments are also filled with such outrageous crap doesn't make the Koran and Hadith any better.  I should be allowed, here of all places, to criticize literary texts, should I not?  Or is using the word "evil" only applicable to, say, Cheney memos?  :P

              "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

              by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:07:05 PM PDT

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              •  You can criticize books, and I can criticize you (0+ / 0-)

                when you make god awful and frankly lazy comparisons.

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                by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:09:59 PM PDT

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                •  It still comes down to defending... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ...the indefensible.  We can read and debate the texts of early American scholars, say.  Maybe we'll find some work of Jefferson, who we acknowledge was a smart, even great man, defending slavery.  We can talk about the books as being a "product of their time", perhaps, but in the end, we could pass judgments on their morality.  But when it comes to religious texts, there's a different line drawn.  Millions, or billions, of people believe that their books aren't merely historical relics to be analyzed within the context of their times, but rather holy, unerring, perfect books, written by God himself, or a prophet of God writing on his behalf.  As such, it's difficult to get into a rational discussion of the morality of the texts, because so many people won't even consider the question.  It's the word of God, period.  To me, there is nothing more dangerous than that.

                  "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

                  by cartwrightdale on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:14:03 PM PDT

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                  •  Straw man, no one is defending (1+ / 0-)
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                    this practice, I frankly don't like broad brushes.  You seem to amply nuance only when you want to.

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                    by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:15:06 PM PDT

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      •  The Grand Ayatollah is totally like the pope to (1+ / 0-)
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        all Muslims right?

        GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

        by Shhs on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 10:58:46 PM PDT

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      •  No, it isn't. (4+ / 0-)

        Because who is taking criticism now is not "Catholics" but the Catholic Church.  Some of the most furious anger is from Catholics.  You think they're furious with themselves?  No, they're furious with an organization, a bureaucracy, an institutional religious hierarchy, which has betrayed them and raped their children.

        I haven't seen anyone attack lay Catholics with the kind of vitriol you use an example in your original comment.  Because generally, people see the Catholic laity as victims, not perpetrators.

        So your parallel isn't parallel at all.

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        by cai on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:03:18 PM PDT

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