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  •  The diary kind of mischaracterizes what the bill (2+ / 0-)
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    is about. Here the bill comes across as a carrot-and-stick approach (as if they were donkeys...) to getting other countries to adhere to "our" (whose? the US's? it's not clear...) standards of women's rights. There are plenty of practical steps that the US can take to ameliorate women's vulnerability not just to specific practices like female genital cutting, but to domestic abuse in general, not by promoting some kind of a culture war. Contrary to what a lot of idiots are posting here, the goals of this act are shared by most of the countries in which the programs it promotes would operate.

    This has a list of programs which the VAWA promotes. They are generally good, I think.

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    by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08:24 PM PDT

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    •  you are mischaracterizing my diary (0+ / 0-)

      and the intent behind it. I wish you'd stop doing that.

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      by slinkerwink on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:12:36 PM PDT

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      •  here is the first line of the part you bolded (0+ / 0-)

        from the statement by the State Department:

        I want to make it clear: "culture" cannot justify the violation of human rights. Addressing violence against women is the responsibility and imperative of every nation.

        The statement itself is misleading--who exactly is saying that culture does justify violation of human rights? This sounds to me like a straw man argument. But you have featured it prominently in your diary, and quite a lot of people buy into it completely. So I don't think I'm wrong to say that your diary gives the impression that the IVAWA is about a culture war being waged against governments and/or cultures that "don't share our values"--one of the most common slogans used to justify disastrous foreign policy. As for your intent, I don't mistrust it for a second, I just think you made a mistake in the presentation.

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        by bicycle Hussein paladin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 at 11:56:48 PM PDT

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        •  It's an argument advanced by (1+ / 0-)
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          Melanne Velaneer, the director of the Secretary's Office of Global Women's Issues. That was her blog post that I linked to.

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          by slinkerwink on Sat Apr 17, 2010 at 12:06:00 AM PDT

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          •  Her statement is a straw man argument and (0+ / 0-)

            another unfortunate example of the left eating its own children. It is misleading because it invents a non-existent bogeyman, maybe an "out-of-control PC multiculturalist" (who would argue that "culture" can justify violation of human rights) as a fictional opponent of this bill. Why cast aspersions on unnamed multiculturalists? Why go there at all?

            I doubt that people like mojada would object to the US government shelters for victims of rape or domestic abuse victims, or microfinance programs, or indeed, the moral agenda behind these things. But the language being used to promote this bill in that quote by Melanne goes beyond this moral agenda, and asserts a more general claim of cultural superiority, which is used elsewhere to justify wars. People are right to be suspicious of anyone using that language.

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            by bicycle Hussein paladin on Sat Apr 17, 2010 at 12:39:32 AM PDT

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            •  No society lacks its barbaric legacies (1+ / 0-)
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              some of which persist far past the time of their cultural usefulness.

              I often wonder how slavery persisted for so long in this society, never mind racism, child and spouse abuse, homophobia and this outrageous hostility to taking both religious and secular teachings on care for the less fortunate seriously.

              Likewise, I'm just not sure how amputations are useful forms of punishment...or infanticides...or rape of rival families' women...or relocating large aircraft into skyscrapers.

              Which is to say - what a few do, here and there, to much fanfare and media play, is not the definition of either society.

              And, just perhaps, correcting these old, obsolete cultural habits would hardly be damaging.

    •  Re: infanticide (0+ / 0-)

      Sometimes it's really, really bad, no matter how adorable the persons who do it may be.

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