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  •  Had prosecuting Bush and Cheney been the first... (2+ / 0-)
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    thing that Obama had done that would have been about the only thing that would have been done during his first year in office.

    I don't think we would have gotten the advances in health, gay rights, women's rights, etc. had Congress been bogged down in fighting the Bush guilt issue.

    That "hopey-changey thing"? Takes a Magic Hawaiian to pull it off...

    by BobTrips on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:21:28 PM PDT

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    •  I totally disagree. I think the people would have (1+ / 0-)
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      been galvanized behind the president like we've never seen. His approval ratings would have been at historic highs and congressional Dems would have benefitted too.

      That's just how I see it. Democrats, Independents, and even the Republicans who voted for Obama would have leapt for joy--do you doubt that? Really?

      "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

      by Battle4Seattle on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:29:40 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think so... (2+ / 0-)
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        Were you around for the Watergate hearings?

        I see a big risk of causing huge splits in the country with the danger of driving a lot of independents toward the right.

        We on dK have some very strong feelings about Bush's guilt.  We, I expect, know a lot more about the facts than does Joe/Jane Average.  I think a lot of people could be convinced that going after Bush was a political, not a legal/moral move.

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        Personally, I don't think Bush/Cheney out of danger.  I think the process is gradually building for busting their butts.  They may never serve time, but I think their guilt will be made obvious and be part of their permanent history.

        And I don't think much will happen until we are out of Iraq and out/mostly out of Afghanistan.

        That "hopey-changey thing"? Takes a Magic Hawaiian to pull it off...

        by BobTrips on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:47:15 PM PDT

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        •  I hope you're right about your last few points. (0+ / 0-)

          But don't you think the country is more split than ever? Do you really think it would have been worse if the president had broken with the past? I disagree. I think a lot of what's pissing off the Tea Party and what causes the smug obstruction of the Republicans is his lack of leadership on this issue. They get away with it because almost 50% of the country disapproves of his performance and crazy Repbulicans aren't 50% of the country.

          "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

          by Battle4Seattle on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 01:52:23 PM PDT

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          •  More spilt than ever? (0+ / 0-)

            I can't objectively answer that.  My impression is that we were a lot more split over civil rights and the Vietnam war.  

            I remember being concerned for my personal safety during some of those times.  I wouldn't be afraid to go to a Tea Party outing.

            Then there was the Civil War thing....  

            I think what's really driving the Tea Party and fellow travelers is mostly economic fear.  These folks are about my age and when you hit that point in your life your ability to recover from a major financial loss is very slim.

            I think what's causing Obama's approval percentages to hang around 50% for, 48% not is also largely economic fear.  It's amplified by his skin color.

            Some of us see the economy coming back because we're looking at the large economic metrics.  Others look only at the people they know out of work, the empty stores in their neighborhood, and the people suffering foreclosure.

            "It's the economy stupid." is one of the most insightful sayings ever uttered.  It's a wonder Ben Franklin didn't invent it.

            That "hopey-changey thing"? Takes a Magic Hawaiian to pull it off...

            by BobTrips on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 02:05:32 PM PDT

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    •  Even if it had been the only thing he did; I'd be (2+ / 0-)
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      so happy today and grateful forever, as would my grandchildren. What do they inherit now?

      "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

      by Battle4Seattle on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:30:46 PM PDT

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      •  How about the ones who died from ... (1+ / 0-)
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        lack of health care?

        You willing to bet that they wouldn't be part of the 40,000 every year?

        That "hopey-changey thing"? Takes a Magic Hawaiian to pull it off...

        by BobTrips on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 12:38:30 PM PDT

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        •  But gosh (0+ / 0-)

          It would've felt good!

          Politics for a great many people here isn't about passing legislation to better peoples' lives but about putting the screws to their enemies.

          •  Give me a f***ing break--we all care about (1+ / 0-)
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            people's lives or we wouldn't bother posting here. You don't think lives have been lost; people tortured, maimed, and killed don't count, including our own soldiers, or what? I believe the president would have gotten REAL healthcare through if he'd done what's right; the wind would have been at his back; all people of conscience standing with him.

            What will future generations say when they have no civil liberties, when war is just the norm, when torture, assasinations, and wiretapping are no big deal. Get off your high self-righteous horse. It's fine to disagree, but don't you DARE say I don't care about people. Justice is not "politics," the rule of law is not "about putting the screws to [my] enemies."

            "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

            by Battle4Seattle on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 01:48:02 PM PDT

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            •  That's your assumption... (1+ / 0-)
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              It's not mine.

              It obviously wasn't President Obama's and wasn't the assumption of other Democratic leaders who have backed him.

              As for our future generations - seems to me that we are returning to the 'rule of law'.  The Bush years were an aberration, as was Nixon's Watergate break in.

              And I believe that the President did get REAL health care passed.  

              The only issue left unsure is premium cost.  I think it 50:50 that the exchange will be sufficient to keep premium prices down.  If not, then when we have data that proves it so we can return to the idea of a public insurance policy.

              (And please remember, people at the lower end of the economic scale - well into the middle class - are protected from too high premium prices by and income caps and subsidies.)

              That "hopey-changey thing"? Takes a Magic Hawaiian to pull it off...

              by BobTrips on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 01:56:05 PM PDT

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