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  •  That, of course, is an assenine argument (13+ / 0-)

    one might as well argue against using such words as "terminal illness" or "disease" on the basis that viruses and bacteria are opportunist and such is the will of nature.

    It's an identical scenario.

    The "protectionist whining" of somebody with eColi or cryptosporidium (incidentally also carried in on ballast water in huge quantities) is because We Don't Like being infected...

    ...we give Bad Names to Things We Don't Want.

    Next time that blogger / author eats a bad hot dog at the corner restaurant, I expect him to suck up his vomit and accept without complaint the will of evolution.

    Month by month. (Hope to see you on Twitter)

    by Muskegon Critic on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 01:44:46 PM PDT

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    •  but its true (0+ / 0-)

      we break down the barriers that kept things separate, the critters do what they would have done at home as well, take their chances. We don´t do other actually.

      Fact is that over the long term, "invaded" ecosystems will reach a new balance. The disequilibrium you observe and describe is a transient shock state. The text has it right, we ourselves are the biggest shock.

      and you have it right in saying that for better of worse, now, it is our choice, and inaction is no excuse, a bad hidingplace for making the choice of Not Caring.

      The diversity of species that existed, had to do with the diversity of separate environments that existed. If our choice would be that its of overriding importance to keep that diversity, then we would have to stop travel. We are not going to inconvenience ourselves to such an extent, so, too bad for the Great Lakes. (There are many Small Lakes around the world who share just that fate).

      Ici s´arrète la loi.

      by marsanges on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 02:43:40 PM PDT

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      •  The Rape of the Sabine Women (5+ / 0-)
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        resulted in the first generation of Roman offspring.

        The long view can be used to make any violation seem historically insignificant...even justifiable.

        Month by month. (Hope to see you on Twitter)

        by Muskegon Critic on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 03:22:54 PM PDT

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        •  true (0+ / 0-)

          again, I´m not saying you shouldnt do what can be done to avoid this (major) step of invasion.

          for me it sounds like a no brainer. if its really dependent on these locks, and the entirety of the Great Lakes behind it, then it is just plain common sense to close them for good. One doesnt have to make it easy for the big mixup.

          Still, there´s no denying that a myriad of species "invasions" are ricocheting back and forth over this planet at this time, and it is the consequence of our way of life, and we are not going to change that way of life, so, on the whole, we as humans take it with a smile.

          Even if we do the obvious in a blatant case like this (as you argue). It does not take away the fact that we have learnt to live with, and will go on being amicable with, a multitude of this kind of thing happening now and in the future. We are not conservers. We are not carers.

          Ici s´arrète la loi.

          by marsanges on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 03:54:59 PM PDT

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    •  The bacteria are winning. (5+ / 0-)
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      Enjoy the great cycle of life -- it's very bigoted to think that humans are important.  Humans will be gone soon.  Bacteria will keep going forever!


      More seriously, we happen to be humans, so perhaps it's appropriate to have a little bias in favor of humans and ecosystems which are friendly to humans?

      -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

      by neroden on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 03:01:20 PM PDT

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