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  •  Not a prob (0+ / 0-)

    Yep, pull the old "newb" thing and feel grandios about yourself.

    Whatever

    I have just as much right to post as you do, or the "fundamentalist" does.

    There is nothing more here than a personal statement. It came off as being more than a little self absorbed to me.

    If it didn't to you, not a prob.

    I didn't know that the value of a person's opinion here was based on their longevity. That seems more than a little counterproductive.

    That said, piss off. I don't need your opinion either - geezer.

    •  Why is it (9+ / 0-)

      the only objections to arguments made in support of a poster's history on dailykos come from UIDs above something like 200k?

      Muéstreme su identificación.

      by kestrel9000 on Wed May 05, 2010 at 02:29:31 AM PDT

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    •  That's Mlle Geezer to you, Grasshopper (21+ / 0-)

      If it is your aim to reinforce the initial impression you have made by your ill-considered postings allow me to be the first--and most assuredly not the last--to commend you on your ability to maintain a charmless consistency. There is no rule, of course, that neophyte status is an automatic guarantor of immaturity but you do seem to be able to multitask in that regard. It really is quite precocious.

      As for "grandios" (sic) I suggest you stick to words you can both spell and define. Something tells me that your understanding of the word "piss" is peerless.  

      I'm not me minus anything; I'm me plus this experience. ...Michael J. Fox

      by Mlle Orignalmale on Wed May 05, 2010 at 02:54:40 AM PDT

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      •  he was using the Spanish version! ;) (1+ / 0-)
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        Conservacrap's manner here is uncalled for, to be sure..  (But who am I to talk?  I called someone an idiot in a comment last night and had to apologize!)

        But I think I know what he is getting at.

        teacherken does this a lot in his diaries..  He writes these longwinded pieces without ever really getting to a point or stating an opinion.

        I read this diary today and had almost the same reaction..

        kinda like: "Yeah? So? What's your point?  You want us to discuss the entire freakin' Constitution??"

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 04:31:04 AM PDT

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        •  Only if (7+ / 0-)

          teacherken does this a lot in his diaries..  He writes these longwinded pieces without ever really getting to a point or stating an opinion.

          one finds thinking to be a waste of his time.

          His point is clear... in this and every other diary of his that I and others have read.

          If you want soundbites, go watch Faux News.

          •  Point? (1+ / 0-)
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            Mind sharing?

            "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

            by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 06:21:09 AM PDT

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            •  The point is that (4+ / 0-)

              liberty is not an amorphous, imaginary construct that is a figment of our imagination. It is foundational to the very existence of this country.

              It cannot be negotiable; it must not be selective or exclusionary.

              This exchange from LOTR: The Two Towers sums up his point, IMO:

              Frodo: I can't do this, Sam.

              Sam: I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.

              Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?

              Sam: That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for.

              IMO, teacherken's 'fundamentalism' is part of that good in this world... And it is worth fighting for...

              •  All that glitters... (1+ / 0-)
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                Perfect response to a skeptic.

                After the horse has been led, will it take the water?

                Ah, free will, thou art a ...

                Well, I'll play nice...for now. :)

                How much further to the right can the republicans go before they circumnavigate themselves? - MKDANAHER

                by Qantumreflection on Wed May 05, 2010 at 06:51:09 AM PDT

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                •  Not all those who wander are lost. (0+ / 0-)

                  which means absolutely nothing in this context.. but I couldn't resist.

                  Interestingly enough, however.. Tolkien didn't use the traditional "All that glitters is not gold"..

                  All that is gold does not glitter,
                  Not all those who wander are lost;
                  The old that is strong does not wither,
                  Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
                  From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
                  A light from the shadows shall spring;
                  Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
                  The crownless again shall be king.

                  Rather than warning about false riches, he (in Bilbo's word quoted by Gandalf) asks Frodo to look for the hidden richness in things not outwardly seeming rich when describing Aragorn.  Probably my favorite poem from the trilogy.

                  "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

                  by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:45:52 AM PDT

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                  •  Aye, one of mine as well... (0+ / 0-)

                    But I used the ill qouted version because it fit a tad bit better to the conversation.

                    I like your takeaway from it. Mine is this:

                    Be more than what we appear on the outside. Take the less travelled paths because they give us a perspective and strength. For when we are tested, true beauty shows itself and without pride or design. When you are laid lo, seek what makes you great, take heart and strength from whats within because no one or nothing can take that away from you.

                    How much further to the right can the republicans go before they circumnavigate themselves? - MKDANAHER

                    by Qantumreflection on Thu May 06, 2010 at 07:35:23 AM PDT

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              •  libery is not granted (0+ / 0-)

                by our Constitution.  It is an unalienable right... granted by the Creator, and so acknowledged in that Constitution.

                Let me say this..  That is one of my favorite passages from LOTR.  When Sam and Frodo are at their darkest point, Sam's simple wisdom comes through.  And we are indeed in dark times.

                But a lot of the darkness we are experiencing right now is constructed and fabricated from nothing.  When one looks closely at it, there is nothing substantial there.

                I don't believe the challenges we are facing measure up to those struggles between good and evil of Middle Earth.  We are experiencing political machinations from all sides, to the point where some are seeing our current situation as a struggle for the very existence of our nation.

                I have always had faith in our Constitution...  faith that bad laws, bad policies would always get straightened out in the end.  That's the process our founders established and it has worked very well all these years.

                But we look to the Constitution for too much.  It was a limiting document.  A document insuring those unalienable rights were not usurped by a controlling, power hungry central government.  A document that guaranteed states (and its citizens) autonomy in most things.

                Equality does not mean equalness.  It does not guarantee we are the same.  We have equal rights to pursue happiness, not a guarantee of that happiness.

                And from teacherken's other writings, I think he is possibly alluding to that here.. but, it is difficult to tell, because I still don't fully understand what he is trying to say.

                "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

                by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:26:05 AM PDT

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                •  The inalienable rights (4+ / 0-)

                  to which you are referring are in the Declaration of Independence... the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution is an attempt to enumerate said rights in a practical manner primarily in how those rights are manifest in our interactions with governmental authority... hence the right of free speech, freedom of the press, habeus corpus, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to not be forced to incriminate oneself, etc... and where times and circumstances demonstrated that the enumeration omitted things, there were amendments that specified other rights... the right to equal protection under the law for instance...

                  Why have all of this? The preamble makes it plain... we, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain  and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

                  This union is still being formed and as a people we continue to strive to make it "more perfect"... sometimes that striving takes the form of protest; sometimes that striving takes the place of people like teacherken who remind us where the rubber meets the road when we take things for granted and, like the GOP, wear our liberty as a cloak of maliciousness...

                  •  ok.. I'm over thinking, I guess.. (1+ / 0-)
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                    But don't dismiss the concerns of all on the right.. nor should you lump them in with the GOP.

                    There are very real concerns that in striving to make the country "more perfect" we destroy the original intent.

                    Those concerns should not be taken lightly.

                    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

                    by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 08:07:52 AM PDT

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                    •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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                      There are very real concerns that in striving to make the country "more perfect" we destroy the original intent.

                      and all points on the political spectrum can run afoul of this if we are not careful; none of us, no matter how well intentioned, is exempt.

                      That is why, IMO, teacherken's declaration is spot on... as long as there is that line in the sand, we don't fall into the rut of rationalizing evil done int he name of good by saying that the end justifies the means...

          •  his point (5+ / 0-)
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            is one we should all be reminded of when our pols and government takes to disregarding our sacred documents. Political battles sometimes lose this fundamental point, so do our elected leaders, when they take it off the table or describe it as a quaint piece of paper.

        •  TK speaks from his heart...as well as his head. (7+ / 0-)

          In this case, his words made me tear up. I found them very effective.

          On a broader note, this is [re-]taking a word from the angry hordes and [re-]establishing it as one we/I can be very proud of.

          Kind of like the US flag - how many of us stopped waving one when it became all about Bush and Co's war and 'patriotism'?

        •  Simple solution: Selective diary reading... (2+ / 0-)

          passing up those diarists that might "piss off", bore, or otherwise annoy, irritate, anger, or somehow be considered a waste of the potential reader's time, no?  

          Seems rather limiting, IMHO, but then, to each, his own.

          •  Yeah.. but sometimes (1+ / 0-)
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            you have to read the whole thing to find that out!

            I wasn't complaining, per se.. and I wouldn't have mentioned it if not for the wise-ass conservacrap's comments..

            "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

            by Skeptical Bastard on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:57:22 AM PDT

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        •  I'm a little frustrated too. If the diarist (1+ / 0-)
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          wants a conversation, it would seem that differences of opinion would be welcome.

          I have yet to see that, and haven't had any of my comments addressed.  I always try to be respectful (especially as a "newbie"), but it's difficult to converse when one feels that s/he is being ignored.

          •  if you read my earlier comment (4+ / 0-)

            I noted that I would be offline for quite a while because of my teaching responsibilities.  I arrived at school at 7:15, had a staff meeting at 7:30 and have been teaching non-stop since until 11:45.  I then had paperwork which had to be done.  

            I am reading all the comments, but I am doing little but recommending comments I believe are worthy.

            I say I want to provoke a conversation.  When I do that in my classroom, I often get entirely out of the way and let the students discuss without my intervention.  I feel no obligation to respond to every comment, and sometimes even when a comment is misreading what i have written it is better to let someone else make that point rather than my seeming to be prickly.

            I have barely enough time to read the more than 100 comments posted since I last looked at this diary.

            I do eventually read all. I respond where I feel it to be necessary.

            Peace.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Wed May 05, 2010 at 09:06:11 AM PDT

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    •  Way to be a jerk. (6+ / 0-)

      Go around insulting respected members of this community for no reason and you'll do just fine here.

      Nice.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Wed May 05, 2010 at 05:40:12 AM PDT

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    •  Speaking of self-absorbed (5+ / 0-)

      Do you have mirrors on every surface in your house?

      The US Senate is begging to be abolished. Let's fulfill its request.

      by freelunch on Wed May 05, 2010 at 06:03:10 AM PDT

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    •  This is true, but not in the way you think: (5+ / 0-)

      I have just as much right to post as you do, or the "fundamentalist" does.

      You do, indeed have exactly as much right to post here as do teacherken and Mlle Orignalmale...

      None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

      The only person with a right to post here is Markos. What we have is permission.

      --Shannon

      "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
      "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

      by Leftie Gunner on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:07:55 AM PDT

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