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  •  Should we restrict corporate control (2+ / 0-)
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    of marijuana production, once it's legalized?

    I'm of two minds: if companies cannot produce it en masse, there will still be illegitimate dealer/grower organizations that won't give up their violent tactics readily, and may even threaten personal growers in some areas. But, I really really REALLY don't want to see Marlboro Ganja.

    •  I think that's what the pro-legalization crowd (2+ / 0-)
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      should be worried about- Monsanto(R) genetically modified, trademarked seed, Super-Weed(R)!

      "Competent statisticians will be the front line troops in our war for survival..." George Box, 1976

      by aztecraingod on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 09:18:39 AM PDT

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    •  I doubt you can restrict corporate control (4+ / 0-)

      I suspect Marlboro Ganja is in your future. I can foresee great fields of pot growing for miles alongside the other crops in the valley.

      •  Being on the ground floor can be helpful: (5+ / 0-)

        If we begin with heavy restrictions on how the marijuana is produced and I can get my herb without it being covered in pesticides then I could care less what company grew it.  Of course, that's a fantasy really, they've got lobbyists to make sure they can put whatever poison they want in it.

        The question is, if we repeal prohibition of marijuana, can we grow it ourselves legally?  As long as the answer is yes, then the only corporations you'll have to deal with are the ones making small-scale hydro gear.  And sadly, probably Mosanto :(

      •  you can't grow pot in "great fields" (7+ / 0-)

        it's too vulnerable to pollen. Just a little male pollen, and all those female plants start growing seeds instead of big fat buds. Marijuana is custom-made for the small bio-diverse farmer who watches each plant carefully.

        Some "biological terrorists" driving by those acres of marijuana tossing out male pollen, and blam, your crop is ruined. Let alone the natural processes, i.e., a nearby backyard grower that doesn't weed out his male plants, and the wind carries pollen for miles.

        Also until the feds legalize it, R.J. Reynolds or Phillip Morris aren't likely to grow commercially in CA. too much risk for them.

        •  Yeah, my hypothesis assumed (0+ / 0-)

          that it was legal across the board, which I didn't really make clear.

          They would just make huge greenhouses though, right?

          •  marijuana plants in greenhouses (2+ / 0-)
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            get seedy too. With small-scale scattered grows, only affected by natural processes, usually only a branch or two gets seedy. Any greenhouse requires a lot of ventilation to prevent mold. hard, and expensive, to keep the pollen out.

            •  Warehouses (0+ / 0-)

              Warehouses provide decent security and closed growing enviroments- completely sealed grow rooms using C02 instead of fresh air- is considered by some to be the optimal way to grow indoors.

              •  by the time the feds legalize it (2+ / 0-)
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                the price will be too low. and backyard marijuana growing will be too widespread, for a large-scale (and quite expensive to set up and to operate) sealed-warehouse CO2 type environment to be cost-effective, in my opinion. Personally, as an observer only (and reporter) of this most important industry here on the North Coast of CA, which has been hurt by indoor commercial grows in the cities, I consider such chemical bud operations to be the equivalent of factory farms. The carbon footprint is huge. They are even worse than the giant grows up here done by greedheads that divert salmon streams and use pesticides, or the diesel bud, grown by using generators to run dehumidifiers and fans inside greenhouses. CO2 grows have a huge carbon footprint, potential danger to workers, and just plain ick factor: marijuana should be grown outside in the clean air under the lifegiving sun -- as the local head shop bumper sticker puts it: "If it's not organic, it's poison."

                •  A friend calls that stuff "Frankenweed" n/t (0+ / 0-)

                  "Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous." -- Molly Ivins

                  by dumpster on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 03:53:29 PM PDT

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                •  Interesting (0+ / 0-)

                  by the time the feds legalize it the price will be too low. and backyard marijuana growing will be too widespread, for a large-scale (and quite expensive to set up and to operate) sealed-warehouse CO2 type environment to be cost-effective, in my opinion.

                  You may be right.  I think it's going to be a long time (several decades) before it's legalized federally though.  And just to clarify, I didn't mean sealed warehouses, but sealed rooms/spaces within warehouses. Depending on how low you think prices will go, it may still be profitable even after set up costs, especially for connoisseur quality indoor organic.

                  As for backyard growing, it'll be interesting to see how many people start growing if it becomes legal, and what type of quality they're able to produce.  Outdoor grows have issues with pests (as do indoor grows, but probably less with closed environments) and are obviously climate dependent, and they also tend to reek a bit. I'm sure some will grow instead of buy from dispensaries, but I think most people will still buy for a variety of reasons.  

                  Personally, as an observer only (and reporter) of this most important industry here on the North Coast of CA, which has been hurt by indoor commercial grows in the cities, I consider such chemical bud operations to be the equivalent of factory farms. The carbon footprint is huge.

                  Agreed on the carbon footprint.  Isn't the majority of outdoor weed from up north non-organic though?  

                   

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