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  •  Will Iraqis accept election results? (none)
    My predictions and interpretation:

    The winners will accept the results, and the losers will call the election a sham.

    The effect will be to harden positions and drive Iraqis apart -- one more step toward civil war.

    Fomenting civil war serves U.S. interests, which are:

    • Prevent Iraqi factions from coming together to oppose the occupation.
    • Prolong the violence and the domestic "political capital" it brings to the GOP.
    • Justify the ongoing occupation and the long-term use of the military bases currently under construction.

    By these criteria, yes, the elections have been a "success."

    •  I doubt that - that might have passed already (none)
      actually I think that in their heart the Bush administration hopes that the Iraqi call the US officially to retreat from their territory and I bet they will comply. There have been so many little expressions, that slipped into Bush and Rice's comments. It sounds nicer, like "we are guests in Iraq" and "as long as they want us there", if "they ask us to leave, we will certainly consider their wishes" etc. There is definitely a change in tone for the last couple of weeks. And the only reason I can find for this to happen is that Bush wants the troops out of there as soon as possible, he just won't say so.

      Human life should be governed by truth, freedom, justice and love.

      by mimi on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 02:21:58 PM PST

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      •  Consider the stakes. (none)
        If the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, progressive and nationalist forces will inevitably gain power, either by election or force. What does that mean for the U.S.?

        • Giving up billions of dollars invested in building permanent military bases over the past year.
        • Giving up the entire neocon program to dominate the Middle East.
        • Giving up the control of mideast oil and the leverage that provides over Europe, Japan, and China.
        • Giving up the illusion of U.S. military supremacy and providing inspiration to rebel movements in U.S.-dominated countries around the globe.

        I'd like to think they'll quit, but I think we have a ways to go to achieve it.

        •  I understand but (none)
          I don't see enough political will to go through with it by the Bush administration. May be it's just wishful thinking or interpreting something in little changes of language I realized taking place by Rice and Bush. I just don't believe they have the stamina to stay through a second Vietnam-style conflict. Let's say I hope they are just too lazy to continue burden themselves with years of guerilla warfare.

          No, I think they must withdraw soon, especially if the violence continues. People will say the violence is a direct consequence of US troops presence and if the population thinks that, the Americans will be hated. In the end I believe the population wants the terror and destruction to stop and they don't care anymore how it is brought to a stop. They will accept any strongman, if it doesn't stop.

          I can't imagine the Americans staying for longer than a couple of months. Then they must go. They will never be able to prevent the terrorist from attacking at will one day and suicide bomber at a time.

          I am confused, because I really liked to see the vote going on and considered it "a good day", the first good day since the war started. And I can't believe the Iraqi would just give up on their first openings to build a democratic constitution, just because the US troops would leave "early".

          Human life should be governed by truth, freedom, justice and love.

          by mimi on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 08:54:29 PM PST

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