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  •  Yup (none)
    I gave it a shot.
    •  Recording? (none)
      If HK talked to you, then he has no excuse--even extreme stupidity--for getting everything so wrong and for refusing to acknowledge even what's clearly established, like the Plame docs. Instead he takes Scottie's unverifiable word for everything and then Gannon's ditto. Any chance that you have a recording? It would make a useful compare-and-contrast exercise. I did see your paraphrased synopsis yesterday.
      •  Kurtz didn't get anything wrong (none)
        He presented it exactly the way he wanted to.  He, probably more so than any of us, knows exactly what the fuck is going on.  But he and Wolfie have subterranean motives not apparent to us.

        A moment of resistance; a lifetime of capitulation.

        by lapin on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 03:51:51 PM PST

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        •  Clarification (none)
          I meant "wrong" in the old-fashioned 5-ws, just-the-facts sense, not the new "must help the corporation first" sense. I assumed the story would be disinfotainment at best, but HK should at least make the appearance of reporting what he knows.
        •  Seeing is believing (4.00)
          We should gaive special thanks to Kurtz and Wolf for this eye-opening revelation that the media is warped in this country.

          Everyone tut-tutted Dean supporters when we said that the media made a hit on Dean in the primaries, (NOOO, every one scream Dean lost fair and square) it was even proven that Dean only recieved 47% positive reviews compared to the high 80% and 90% reviews for Kerry and Edwards respectively.

          Then Kerry got smacked down by the media and it wasn't so funny anymore.

          Now for this board that has over one half million readers watch Kurtz and Wolf make GOP assess out of themselves have just done us the biggest favor ever. Now, with out a shadow of a doubt at least FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE NOW BEEN SHOWN ABSOLUTE PROOF OF HOW THE MEDIA IS MANIPULATED FROM THE SO-CALLED BASTIONS OF JOURNALISM; THE WASHINGTON POST, TO THE CABLE INFO-TAINMENT PROPOGANIST;CNN.

          •  And yet, (3.50)
            surprisingly, even after all this, there are people

            on THIS SITE, who will still come on here and talk about how Dean spontaneously "self-destructed" or "imploded" and when we try and correct them, they call us paranoid conspiracy nuts.

            What does it take to get through to some people?

            Or is it just that I fail to realize that a lot of people coming onto Kos are pretty new to this whole world, and really have only just started paying attention to what is really going  on in this country within the past few weeks or months?  Thus, is it unfair of me to expect them to know all about all the shit that has gone on with our corrupt corporate media over the past FOUR YEARS . . . or more?

      •  He could have just walked down the hallway (4.00)
        and talk to WaPo reporter Dan Froomkin, who wrote about the Plame connection on March 10, 2004.

        Anyway, the reason Gannon is on the list is most likely an attempt to find out who gave him a secret memo that he mentioned in an interview he had with Plame's husband, former ambassador and administration critic Joseph Wilson.

        Gannon asked Wilson: "An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency for clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?"

        It's not like Kurtz didn't know this, he just chose not to bring it up.

        "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 03:56:59 PM PST

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        •  Krutz V. Gannon (none)
          We need to play that up, like, can't you fucking clowns at the Wash Post figure out what your corporate line is and stick to it. Because right now we have your media reporter totally ignoring your on-line White House correspondent.

          Make up your mind, Donnie Graham...Who is right: Kurtz or Froomkin?

          I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

          by Volvo Liberal on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:12:14 PM PST

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          •  Should be "Kurtz vs. Froomkin" (none)
            Sorry about that

            I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

            by Volvo Liberal on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:12:52 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, thought that was pretty funny (none)
            when I found that.  I'd love to see someone ask Kurtz why he didn't think this was relevant to discuss, when he's probably known about this for almost a year.

            "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:17:05 PM PST

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          •  Jesus you people make the wingnuts look sane (none)
            The WaPO is not some secret organ of the Republican/Corporate industrial complex.  And Howie Kurtz certainly isn't the devil.  I find it ironic on a thread where we are bashing a fake "journalist" for being a partisan hack that toed a corporate line, you are essentially bashing HK for not carrying your water exactly the way you want him to.  HK wrote the article and included the details he felt were relevant and verifiable.  Those may not be all the details you wanted in the story but that's what good reporter does, he filters rather than transcribes.  (and remember when KOS went front page with Gannon's story (which he had to pick up from another blog, never noticing the diarists here who'd been laboring for days to produce the story)  The thing he highlighted was Gannon's gay porn connection, not the far more substaintial links to the Plame affair)

            The most ludicrous thing you said was to accuse Don Graham of exercising some sort of invisible hand to ensure that all his reporters "toe the corporate line"  (Never mind that Leonard Downie is actually the editor) but your thesis immediately contradicted by the fact that another reporter at the same paper chooses to cover the story different way with different details.

            Howard Kurtz wrote the Book Spin Cycle in 1996 where he was the first one to decry the Right wings's machinery to create, distort and control the news,  since then he's been one of the best and most skeptical media critics int he business.   Not extreme enough for you?  good. Main Stream Journliasts SHOULD produce news that never completely staisfies partisans on one side or the other.  When they do, they are producing propaganda not news (cf. Fox news)

            Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

            by Magorn on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:14:11 AM PST

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            •  Your points on Kurtz are well taken. (none)
              He has some obvious blind spots, however, when it comes to the right vs. the left, and especially when it comes to conflicts of interest, that have been well documented.  And realistically, despite occasional bursts of Doing His Damn Job, he simply doesn't take the media to task very often for someone who is supposed to be doing it as a primary job function -- even when the ethical lapses are seemingly egregious.

              The CNN piece with Blitzer represents Kurtz at his most typical, for me -- his work on Reliable Sources was uniformly shallow at best, and this Blitzer report was part and parcel of his usual on-camera schtick.  He doesn't get too many kudos from me for slanting his CNN appearance in such a way as to almost completely ignore wrongdoing on the part of Gannon or the administration in favor of finding an invisible balance against mean bloggers who dared look into the story.  Granted, that may have been the angle his CNN handlers are more interested in, compared to his print handlers, but it was deplorable.

              His written reports are nearly always better, and he has indeed covered other aspects of the Gannon story more completely in those.  But if anything, that only demonstrates to me, yet again, that when push comes to shove and he has to put a quickie piece together for Wolf, he goes for the "are bloggers bad?" angle, rather than any of the other stuff he knows about Gannon.  I can't give him points for that.  He knows the truth.  He chose his angle accordingly.

              (In replying to your other message, I somehow screwed something up and killed both your message and my reply.  I apologize for that, and am replying here instead.)

    •  Plame diaries: Kos front-pager on Gannon (none)
      I think this belongs in with the other main CategoryPlame diaries.

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