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  •  I'm about to post my timeline summary (4.00)
    In like 15 minutes.

    It doesn't state when he took the course, but it lays out the case I (and many others) have been working on for over 10 days now.

    Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

    by spiderleaf on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 03:47:24 PM PST

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    •  Follow (none)
      I have been following this and as I recall the time from when he was associated with Talon to when he got the White House pass to the Plame memo was a matter of weeks.

      When you lay it out there that easy it is amazing.  The other stuff doesn't really matter.

      •  Try days ... (4.00)
        Talon's domain registration date: March 29, 2003

        Talon's web site is up: April 1, 2003

        "Gannon's" first appearance at a White House press conference: April 3, 2003

        Amazing, huh?

        •  Wow (none)
          Holy shit...Amazing coincidence...Wasn't there something going on in Iran at that time? Or was it Pakistan? North Korea? Dammit, I can't remember...

          I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

          by Volvo Liberal on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:09:37 PM PST

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        •  Amazing (4.00)
          Saturday March 29th they registered the domain name.

          Then on Tuesday April 1st the website is up and running and by the end of the work week on Thursday April 3rd Gannon is at a press conference.

          That is amazing.  On top of that they just happened to "find" a journalist who just finnished a 2 day course for $50 who also had a background with websites.

          •  not so amazing (none)
            CIA moves fast: they can set up shop in no time

            Thye want you to think the CIA is slow and disorganized. Don't believe this.

            •  Why do you think CIA? (none)
              It is MUCH more likely to be the White House, Rove in particular.  Rove wanted to discredit Wilson and have a lap dog reporter for Bush's lifeline.  Rove had learned the deets of the Plame connection in some high-level meeting with the top DOD and VP folks.  The CIA wasn't exactly Bush's best friend then.  Why would they want to burn one of their people?  

              If you're going in the wrong direction and you stay the course, where, exactly, do you wind up?

              by Mimikatz on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:39:28 PM PST

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              •  there is not always a clear line (none)
                between the CIA and the Secret Sevice and the WH and some of these other agencies: Watergate was CIA and white house working in tandem:
                think furthermore that this is a myth that the CIA and Bush were not getting along

                ultimately I don't know and it does not matter so long as it sticks....preferably to Bush and his entire administration

            •  Talon (none)
              I can't wait to see who Talon will get next if anyone. I personally think that we have seen the last of them.

              People has commented on why Gannon used a real name and wasn't a real journo.

              But who else would do it?  No real reporter would knowingly go into the situation that he did where you would copy press releases and ask softball questions.  Only someone who knew and did not want a long term future as a reporter would risk throwing credibility away like that.

              So Talon has to now go out and find something tougher to find than a kid with a degree and who worked at a college paper, someone who is willing to give themselves up for the good of their cause.  Someone who does not want or care to be a respected journalism.  You don't pull a Gannon with years of investment and thousands of dollars of student debt to pay off.

              •  Silly Libruls (none)
                This is not important at all.  What is important is that Dan Rather used forged memos, and that Eason Jordan said something really dumb and Barney Frank called him on it.  Gosh, you people never see the big picture; do you?

                Wisdom too often never comes, and so one ought not to reject it merely because it comes late. --Mr. Justice Frankfurter.

                by NewDem on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:11:36 PM PST

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                •  It's ALL important (none)
                  Dan Rather and those at CBS who didn't do their homework were wrong. Period.  BUT Rather did not 'pretend' to be a journalist "plant". Gannon is a gay porn website performer/owner/doer/ along with secretly pretending to be a legitimate journalist [while really a  shill for WHouse]. This has NOTHING to do with being a liberal or conservative, as both have a right to their beliefs, [and expressing them honestly]. This sleaze pretended to be an objective journalist....His background is deplorable, and the White House over-reaching is likewise.  Follow the money on this, and you'll see that Gannon has been secretly paid with taxpayer funds and illegally rewarded until he was " outed" (in more ways than [one]).  I wonder what Gov't. Dept. paid for this tawdry excuse for a "journalist"?.
                  •  I was being sarcastic (none)
                    I agree with everything you just said.  Sorry for the confusion --- guess sarcasm in writing does not come out so well.  

                    As someone else once said somewhere, there needs to be an html tag for sarcasm.  Someone want to work on that?

                    Wisdom too often never comes, and so one ought not to reject it merely because it comes late. --Mr. Justice Frankfurter.

                    by NewDem on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:55:27 PM PST

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          •  Was Mclennan or Fleisher giving the briefing? (none)
            and whichever one it was, did they acknowledge "Gannon" BY NAME?

            When exactly did "Gannon" start getting picked out as a questioner? Several months after he got his feet under the table as it were, or did he hit the ground running with softballs?

            •  Olbermann asked this one also (none)
              It would appear, from the fact that McClelland called him "Jeff" very clearly, that the White House was complicit in this matter.

              Olbermann ran a series of softball questions from this guy, one after the other, so that the viewer could get a good sense of exactly how suck-up these questions were. McClelland clearly called him "Jeff".

              They were in on it, and it goes all the way to the top.

              •  That's a bit of a stretch.... (none)
                Remember, they call the other lady "Helen", all the time.

                Granted, she's been there since before Christ, but I don't think calling someone by their first name is all that incriminating.

                When the PEOPLE lead, the LEADERS follow!

                by mlkisler on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 09:38:05 PM PST

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        •  WHOA! That's damning in and of itself (n/m) (none)

          Orwell is spinning in his grave

          by tlh lib on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:17:05 PM PST

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        •  March 19, 2003 (none)
          The United States invaded Iraq.

          To thine own self be true - W.S.

          by Agathena on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:31:02 PM PST

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      •  Hearing him talk with a really smart interviewer (none)
        on NPR made me realize he is not smart enough to have gained access to the White House. He had to be set up.

        To thine own self be true - W.S.

        by Agathena on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:30:05 PM PST

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      •  Gannon's Money Trail? (none)
        There is gold in them thar hills. How did he get paid.....Where's the money?    Maison Blanch had to funnel to one of Gannons faux [set-up] companies.  From Valerie Plame to faux WH 'pretend scenes' at press conferences, there is more than arrogance and abuse of power.  There's money.
    •  Timeline summary is up (4.00)

      Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

      by spiderleaf on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:08:56 PM PST

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