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  •  Is this the strategery? (none)
    Hire and plant pseudo-journalists, give them opposition research, talking points, and other RF materials to, in turn, give to favored MSM -- who can report it on-air with some confidence because they know it comes directly from the WH.  The favored MSM are immunized to charges of direct collaboration with WH, and can simply say "other news organizations are reporting this and we have confirmed..."


    I also wanted to point to a post from MyDD, in which Gannon alleges sources inside CBS told him Mapes used forged documents on the Texas Air National Guard story.  Because that story was almost certainly managed by Rove, perhaps the CBS thread will help lead to higher levels.

    and the Gannon story

    •  It's odd (none)
      because this administration has never needed the corroboration of the media before, why go through the trouble of planting "journalists" to agree with you when you have always just flat-out lied before and depended on folks like Ailes who shill for free?

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer." -John F. Kennedy

      by Vestal Vespa on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 03:54:38 PM PST

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      •  I think this may (4.00)
        be a much older tradition than we realize, and the CIA has been busy "planting seeds" for many decades.

        What you're seeing here is just sloppiness: they're not covering their tracks as well as they used to.

        These are like Tricky Dick's Dicky Tricks: more of the same

        •  The legal questions (4.00)
          surrounding the Fitzgerald investigation (God, does anyone know what's new with this outside of Abu Gonzales' recusal from oversight?) may turn on source confidentiality, what constitutes a journalist, and taxpayer-funded propaganda.

          Could the jeopardy Judith Miller finds herself in -- apparently unrelated to Plame -- have to do with knowingly reporting false information from sources paid with taxpayer money (which Chalabi certainly was) to advance a political agenda?  

        •  Ummmm... (none)
          weren't we supposed to tell you to get a life if we saw you here? Not that I'm any better.... good thing there's no puter where I work.

          As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

          by sidnora on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:49:45 PM PST

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        •  yes, it goes back decades (none)
          This probably goes back 100 years.
          Democrats used to do it, too.
          Before the internet, no one was there to catch it.
        •  Sloppliness? (none)
          No as an old federal prosecutor and Watergate fan, this smells like a tricky dick coverup attempt using Gannon to obstruct justice by trying to create a defense for the potential Plame Affair Defendants, claiming that there was no offense because Plame was already outed by others.
      •  Randi Rhodes covered this (and DKos) today (none)
        Randi Rhodes covered this (and DKos) heavily in the first half of her show.  It's funny and definitely worth a listen:

        She ranted about this administration planting fake journalists in the White House Press Corps audience, who steer the conversation towards ideologically safe areas.

        She was on a roll today.

        "A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." Adlai Ewing Stevenson

        by San Francisco Liberal on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:03:51 PM PST

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        •  Later in the show (none)
          ..she had NYBri on as a guest, and they spent  along time discussed the Kossacks' work on this; I feel proud to be associated with the people working on this, even by the most tenous link (they do the research, I read and cheer).

          As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

          by sidnora on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:47:15 PM PST

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          •  cheering section right here... (none)
            you guys are so AWESOME!!!

            Olbermann covered your research, and credited it to DailyKos readers.

            I think that the wingnuts' claim that Kos is out to get them is hilarious. It's just all of us, citizens concerned enough about our country to actually do something. And it's double funny that Kos said he read about the breaking story...on Atrios!


      •  This administration has complained (none)
        from the beginning about 'the filter' of the big media. They have gone out of their way to cultivate the small town press and local tv stations. They gave a dinner for all the Republican radio commentators.

        They've already got FOX, MSNBC and CNN.

        To thine own self be true - W.S.

        by Agathena on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:27:46 PM PST

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        •  "They" = corportations = conservatives (none)
          Yes, they do own everything. Gotta keep gettin' the votes so they can keep lining their pockets. Fuck democracy, fuck the press.

          When the middle class and poor republicans finally wise up to how theyve been taken for a ride, it could be too late.

          In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

          by ablington on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:34:01 PM PST

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      •  Because Bush and McClellan can't do it (4.00)
        (press conferences) without lifelines.  The lies have become so complicated and their mental skills aren't sufficiently agile to carry it off.  Both need someone to throw them a lifeline from time to time.

        There is a lot of wisdom in these phrases:  

        "What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."    (Shakespeare, IIRC)

        "Always tell the truth; that way you don't have to remember anything."   (Mark Twain, IIRC)

        If you're going in the wrong direction and you stay the course, where, exactly, do you wind up?

        by Mimikatz on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:35:08 PM PST

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      •  It's not odd (none)
        Remember the Plame Affair was about an offense by the press [Novak] and the White House. Now a bogus White House Press person is running defense for the White House, including trying to obstruct justice by try to create a defense to the offense after the fact by claiming there was no outing of Plame because she had already been outed by others.
        Most likely a calculated act by the main putative Defendant in the Plame case, Karl Rove, who has leaked to Novak before and was fired by back then by Bush Sr. for it, and now appears to be the link behind Gannon access to the White House Press Corp.
    •  I wonder if Mapes has been following (none)
      this story.  I'm sure she would be interested.

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