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  •  But Clinton is a shrewder politician (6+ / 0-)

    So far the President has not shown much ability in making the Republicans look foolish.

    And with all the advertising money being spent to demonize Democrats, I wouldn't necessarily expect it to play out the same this time.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:19:06 AM PDT

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    •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

      A good LTE campaign might help.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:24:46 AM PDT

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    •  I agree plus (2+ / 0-)
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      sherlyle, Demi Moaned

      they are already saying that the POTUS is playing politics and will try to force then to shut it down. Then if that doesn't happen they can say he made them spend money. They only move goal posts they never take responsibility.

      The press will say Obama is not working with them and on and on...Obama will go further right to avoid them shutting down the government.

      Vote 11.2.10 the penalty for refusing to participate in politics you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato

      by coffejoe on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:28:25 AM PDT

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    •  Obama's people better start getting their (6+ / 0-)

      act together with respect to hitting Republicans before they get hit themselves; AND shutting up and letting the GOP hang themselves.

      Almost every one of the crazy ideas floated by the GOP to date in Obama's tenure have been treated as if they were legitimate and "reasonable".  The President has gone so far as to parrot their talking points - and all he's done is legitimize the Republican view - even when it was clearly wrong.  He has to stop doing that now.  If he is going to talk about their crazy ideas, he needs to state clearly that they are crazy and explain why.

      If they continue to be collegial and deferential, it definitely won't play out the way it did with Clinton.  I remember thinking back then that Clinton was taking a very big risk, but he was smart - he let Newt talk - and talk he did - when people weren't getting their Social Security checks etc. there was no confusion as to which party was responsible for the results of shutting the government down.

      •  I have heard Obama say just that... (2+ / 0-)
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        JG in MD, NThenUDie

        He has said they are not working with him, that they are threatening a shut down..all of that. I think people just don't listen...including people here. Its the media that is not picking this up and running with it. Obama can say it until he is blue in the face but if even his supporters don't hear him, then what he is he to do?

        •  He validates their talking points all the time (1+ / 0-)
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          He treats them as reasonable. He constantly 'negotiates with himself' to pre-empt their proposals and only gets shrieks and scorn in return.

          "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

          by Demi Moaned on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 11:52:51 AM PDT

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          •  You ignored what I said..but... (0+ / 0-)

            I kinda expected that. ;)

            •  Message discipline (1+ / 0-)
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              It does no good for him to occasionally say that Republicans are not working with him when he is simultaneously validating people like Paul Ryan, Judd Gregg, Olympia Snowe and Alan Simpson.

              The right is relentless in their denunciations of him and he sends a mixed message in return.

              "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

              by Demi Moaned on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:31:57 PM PDT

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