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  •  If you thought POTUS was FDR II, you were/are nuts (7+ / 0-)
    He was always a centrist. The difference is that now he's a misguided centrist. And his team is a bunch of morons.
    •  No I didn't (4+ / 0-)
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      Asak, gsbadj, Uberbah, TomP

      I was speaking figuratively.  Hence the milk money comment.

      He positioned himself as a change agent.  And he espoused a lot of traditional Progressive values.

      What I found most troubling about him was what several Harvard classmates said about "you were never sure where he stood" and "he seemed to agree with everyone in the room".  Unfortunately it is playing out that way.

      He is a centrist, always was a centrist.  But the Obama brand that was sold during the election was not.  And he made PROMISES.  So I hoped he'd keep them.

      I actually think Obama the President would have made a pretty good Republican in 1992.

    •  His teams aren't morons. (12+ / 0-)

      They're getting exactly what they want.

      If people who voted for Republicans didn't notice their Obama/Pelosi/Reid tax cuts last year, then they won't notice when the Bush tax cuts expire.

      by gooderservice on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:54:57 PM PST

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    •  If you thought he ran as a centrist, you're nuts. (3+ / 0-)

      There was a centrist running in 08 - Hillary.  He beat her by running to her left on a progressive platform - one he tossed in the garbage as soon as it was convenient.

      ThAnswr "If the administration can't fight for it's friends, don't expect us to fight their enemies."

      by Uberbah on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:09:13 PM PST

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      •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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        Asak, Churchill

        A progressive wouldn't have said he favored "civil unions" and was against gay marriage

        A progressive would have been less inclined to believe in and repeat Chicago School teachings

        A progressive wouldn't be a hawk when it comes to Afghanistan/Pakistan

        Should I continue?

        Many people, myself included, knew of his centrist and pro-corporate leanings when we voted for him. It didn't make him a bad candidate, but it sure as shit made me a lot less than "the next FDR" or a "true progressive".

        •  really, did I say across the board? (1+ / 0-)
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          A progressive wouldn't have said he favored "civil unions" and was against gay marriage

          But he did promise to end DADT & DOMA while promising to be a "fierce advocate" for gay rights.

          A progressive wouldn't be a hawk when it comes to Afghanistan/Pakistan

          Neither was Candidate Obama.  As I keep reminding the Obama fans, he campaigned on a small, targeted increase to finish off Al Queda, not on a wide-ranging Surge to prop up a corrupt, election stealing leader that threatens to join the Taliban if we don't cater to his whims.

          Should I continue?

          Knock yourself out.  Of course Obama is himself a typical D.C. "centrist" (i.e. a conservative) but that doesn't change the fact that his campaign platform at least was progressive.

          ThAnswr "If the administration can't fight for it's friends, don't expect us to fight their enemies."

          by Uberbah on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:08:45 PM PST

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