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  •  Semi-serious: will oil/energy companies now buy up (8+ / 0-)

    rights to such technologies to slowwalk it to protect burning oil for profits?

    •  I hope not (1+ / 0-)
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      TofG

      I would assume the DOE Patents, belong to the Public

      -- they ought to -- WE funded the Research.


      Got Time?
      Take ten, to find something else informative and fun to read. Thx.

      by jamess on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 06:48:10 AM PDT

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      •  see above - not so much. One of the purposes of (2+ / 0-)
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        TofG, mamamedusa

        R&D funding is to drive new industries, which is very different from BP owning it. The inventors can develop a real stake in actualizing their discoveries and making them into technology. Having the guv own it becomes very problematic for a bunch of reasons.

        There are many gov funding mechanisms, and a lot of them include incentives for inventors/discoverers to patent their results. The next stage can also involve some gov investment in small start-ups, but it also encourages the inflow of capital to start-ups because they have a strong intellectual property position in the form of the patents, and they have a chance to transform the science into technology, given some more investment.

        Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

        by p gorden lippy on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 07:14:48 AM PDT

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    •  They will probably try. (6+ / 0-)

      And their Republican and Libertarian enablers will probably try to enact legislation to let them do just that.  Also to defund original research, just like the planned closure of the Tevatron, just as they are making new discoveries at Fermilabs.

      BTW, our own Kossack, rb137, is a physicist and one of the few people on the planet who knows how to fire up the Tevatron and get useful data from it. She told me she is just sick about shutting it down.  I sent her an email and she might drop in on this diary.

    •  Hydrogen has to produced. (9+ / 0-)

      There will be companiesThat profit from it.  Hydrogen is an energy carrier not a fuel.  It doesn't exist in nature in any concentarted quantities. It requires energy to produce it and currently the ratio of energy out versus the amount of energy out is poor.

      At least with current production methods, hydrogen is clean but is not energy efficient.  Electric vehicle like Nissan's Leaf are ~6x more efficient.

      •  that's always the case (0+ / 0-)

        someone has better tech somewhere,

        that for lack of marketing or buzz-factor, gets overlooked.

        Remember the Tech battle of BetaMax vs VHS Tape?

        -- Hah! they both lost out to Blueray and DVD, lol


        It seemed to me the NREL researchers were well on the way,
        to solving the H2 "Supply Problem" mostly with Low Carbon methods, it seemed to me.

        Heck, H2 could be created from Solar and Wind too --

        Which would go a long ways to dealing with the Wind Farm "bottleneck"
        they had in the NW last week:

        When Too Much Wind Power is NOT a Good Thing?
        by jamess -- Sun Apr 17, 2011


        Got Time?
        Take ten, to find something else informative and fun to read. Thx.

        by jamess on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 07:35:00 AM PDT

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