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  •  sept 11, 2001 to be exact (4+ / 0-)

    That's when fascist mentality gripped this nation.  In regards to civil liberties nothing much has changed for the better.

    What bugs is not that they are using these powers to stop terrorists.  That's fine.  But there is no real oversight if those we are doing the oversight are silenced by a gag order.  That's for show oversight.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 01:06:32 PM PDT

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    •  Problem is, that mentality is not letting go (0+ / 0-)

      The incremental erosion and attacks on our rights was orchestrated in a way that would make MGM proud.

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 01:29:44 PM PDT

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    •  No, I don't think so (2+ / 0-)
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      the framework and mentality clearly had to be in place before that.

      Or else we would have shrugged those 3,000 deaths off like we do for the similar amount that occur ever month or so through guns, coal combustion, cars, or avoidable  hospital errors.

      •  Sometime before they stole the 2000 election? (0+ / 0-)

        Or perhaps it was the tepid reaction to the theft of the 2000 election which made them realize they could get away with making the US a police state?

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:01:24 AM PDT

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    •  nah, it was after Oklahoma City (0+ / 0-)

      That's when Bill Clinton introduced all his antiterrorism bills--which contained everything that Dubya was to do subsequently.

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