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The Steubenville, Ohio rape trial is over and both boys were found guilty. News reports of some of the testimony on Saturday really ticked me off. It is real simple guys, if the girl is shitfaced drunk she can't give consent for sex - period. Taking advantage of a woman who is drunk is rape. It also makes you a coward since you have to have her intoxicated to get your jollies.

Here's a bit of the report that pissed me off:

She said she believed she was assaulted when she later read text messages among friends and saw a photo of herself and a video made that night. She said she suspected she had been drugged because she couldn't explain being as intoxicated as defense witnesses have said she was.

Earlier Saturday, defense attorneys went after the character and credibility of the alleged victim, calling witnesses to the stand to accommodate their schedule, although the prosecution had not yet rested. Two former friends of the girl testified that the accuser had a history of drinking heavily and was known to lie about things.

West Virginia high school student Kelsey Weaver said the accuser told her what happened two days after the alleged attack then, sometime afterward, told Weaver she couldn't remember what happened.

"So two different versions?" asked Mays' attorney Adam Nemann.

"Yes," Weaver replied.

Earlier, Weaver testified that the accuser was flirting at the party with Richmond.

Both Weaver and schoolmate Gianna Anile testified they were angry at the accuser because she was drinking heavily at the party and rolling around on the floor. They said they tried unsuccessfully to get her to stop drinking.

Anile said she also tried to get her friend to stay at the party rather than leave with others, including the two defendants.

"When I told her not to leave, I was trying to, like, pull her back into the party. She was trying to shrug me off," Anile testified. "She kind of hit me."

Ohio school rape trial ends; verdict to be Sunday

First of all what kind of "friends" did the victim have? They knew she was in trouble and didn’t do enough to help her. I don’t care if she hit you, she wasn't right in the head. As for the accusation of lying, there are pictures and video that she was assaulted while passed out. How could she lie about that?

I get sick and tired of rape defenses that attack the character of the victim. Why does the woman have to be stone cold sober, not dress sexy, not flirt…. and on and on. Why can't the boys and men just leave a woman alone and not try to take advantage of her, espeically when she is intoxicated or passed out.

It is dead simple guys, if she is drunk off her ass she can’t give consent for sex – period. I don't care if she rips off her clothes, lies down with her legs wide open and begs you to have sex, if she is drunk it is rape.

Imagine if you were extremely blotto and your best buddy used that to have you give him a blow job? You would feel violated and hurt.

This whole event is why teenagers shouldn’t be drinking in the first place and is a terrible lesson to learn for all the youngsters involved.


Based on several comments let me say this:

It is clear I wasn't talking about "a couple of drinks..." Drunk in the whole context of the diary is pretty clear. If I was going to split hairs on the definition of "drunk" I would have written about that. If the woman is passed out or so drunk she would be arrested for DUI then it is common sense.

I would have concern even if the woman was just tipsy. There is also the other consideration if the woman and the man is in a relationship compared, like in the case, the woman is a stranger or not in a relationship with the man. But that is over thinking this. If a guy wants to ride that third rail then that is up to them but again if the girl is drunk then you are treading dangerous ground.

I am not anti-sex I am anti-stupid. Very rarely does alcohol and sex turn out well.

Again why does the woman have to behave a certain way why can't the men just leave her alone??

Originally published on Doug's Views

Originally posted to Doug's Views: DK Edition on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM PDT.

Also republished by Sex, Body, and Gender and Sluts.

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