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David Kay: "Game, Set, Match"

by ruben

Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:38:34 PM PDT

David Kay, Iraq weapons inspector for the Bush Administration, just appeared on CNN and was asked by Aaron Brown to review the new video filmed on April 18, 2003, one month after the invasion and 8 days after US Troops first arrived at Al Qaqaa.

He was asked about the video which shows the seal. He said that they are indeed IAEA seals and he's seen nothing else like them in IRAQ. He then went on to say that only the explosives in question would have been sealed because of their potency. He then said that other parts of the video show clearly that these were the types of explosives in question.

He was asked if it was "Game, Set, Match". He replied yes, "Game, Set, Match".

In a final blow to recent conservative spin he was asked if they were classified as WMD. He replied point blank, "absolutely not."

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  •  I want a transcript of this, plus an AP article. (none / 0)

    STAT!

    (thanks for the report - you deserve some tips!)

    by VirginiaDem on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:34:58 PM PDT

  •  And now Joel Stein (none / 1)

    is reaffirming everything that was seen earlier (video fro al QaQaa, David Kay's devastating responses) and also calling the 27 March satellite images of trucks outside the bunkers 'desperate'.
    Game, set, match!

    by ask on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:38:01 PM PDT

  •  Aaron Brown (none / 0)

    finally got to truly smile.

    by peglyn on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:38:51 PM PDT

    •  Aaron Brown (none / 0)

      We could do a lot worse than having Brown on in that evening time slot.  He and Lou Dobbs and Begala give me some hope for CNN, and of the three only Begala is clearly liberal.  

      As for KSTP, they did themselves proud with this one.  That photographer took some awesome photos.  He seemed to have made sure to get some good wide shots and some close-ups of the seals on the doors and the labels.  

      KSTP is NOT a "liberal" station, either in ownership or editorial slant.  And the anchor person you see in the video (Cindy Bruccato) is well-known in the Twin Cities.  She was an anchor in the glory days of the local NBC affiliate years ago and then went to work as spokesperson for a Republican MN governor (Arne Carlson, I think it was) before she returned to reading the news.  

      by tompaine2004 on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 10:51:55 PM PDT

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  •  newsnight (none / 0)

    This earlier diary gives a good play-by-play of the Kay-inflicted devastation on Aaron Brown.

    by WendellGee on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:38:54 PM PDT

  •  hot dog (none / 0)

    recommend!

    oh.  i mean tofu dogs.  don't eat meat.

    by seamus on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:39:10 PM PDT

  •  hehe (none / 0)

    read http://www.talkingpoint.com

    If ever there was a byline for this article...

    it would be...

    "Game, Set, Match"

    Viva la Open Source! Download Mozilla Firefox and leave explorer forever!

    by circuithead on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:40:26 PM PDT

  •  Legs I Tell You ,Legs (4.00 / 7)

    Kay was fantastic. He knows the video is for real.
    This media loves this story and it'll go on well into the weekend. Of course its now playing tag team with the Haliburton invstigation. This is mana from heaven for Kerry.

    by shamprez on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:42:48 PM PDT

    •  This video is key (none / 0)

      Repugs like Marc Racinot were on Larry King Live still trying to push the story that the explosives were gone before we got there.  Racinot was using the satellite photos and the debunked claims that our troops didn't see any explosives when we got there. Larry King brought up this videotape and Racinot simply continued his lies.

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      by existenz on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:44:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yep (none / 0)

        The are ingrained in their lie...they can't get out of it without more lies...

        The video was freaking perfect.  Trump card, baby.

        Now on to that "jump to conclusions mat" invention...Viva Smykowski...

        TexasDemocrat
        Giggity giggity giggity...Iraq's a Quagmire

        by TexasDemocrat on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 10:32:14 PM PDT

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        •  From the Washington Post today (none / 0)

          "U.S. military commanders estimated last fall that Iraqi military sites contained 650,000 to 1 million tons of explosives, artillery shells, aviation bombs and other ammunition. The Bush administration cited official figures this week showing about 400,000 tons destroyed or in the process of being eliminated. That leaves the whereabouts of more than 250,000 tons unknown . . . . . "There is something truly absurd about focusing on 377 tons of rather ordinary explosives, regardless of what actually happened at al Qaqaa," (said) . . . a senior analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies"  

          Yes, perhaps so, but if it has awaken the American people to how just unsafe George W. Bush has made the world, then let it serve as an apt metaphor for the deadly reality this reckless president has unleashed.

          Guess what. Kossacks continue to be very rude. I am for Obama, but I'm not a Kossack.

          by DCDemocrat on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 04:52:04 AM PDT

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      •  That was great TV on Larry King! (none / 0)


        Read this diary         for the transcript of Racicot making a total fool of himself on Larry King, trying to argue that the explosives were already gone.

        by Dumbo on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 01:28:20 AM PDT

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  •  Remember the messenger (3.92 / 14)


    We better all send a note of thanks to the photographer and reporter that risked their lives in Iraq to be imbedded during the invasion.  Without the video that they filmed and documenting all of their locations and finding it on a spur of a moment, we would be under republican spin.  Please contact KSTP, the reporter and the cameraman to let them know what they have done for democracy in the US and the world with that crucial video.

    Republicans are not a national party anymore.

    by jalapeno on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:44:04 PM PDT

  •  That was truly... (none / 1)

    ... a thing of beauty.

    Poor Aaron Brown.  He tried so hard not to let it show, but you could tell he was thinking, "Take that, assholes."

    Mmmm... pants.

    by hyperbolic pants explosion on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:44:28 PM PDT

    •  Excellent (none / 0)

      I'm sure there are a lot of reporters royally pissed off at BushCo's arrogance & hubris, only amplified by the TANG memos/Dan Rather episode - so that now Bush openly hints at conspiracy and deliberate bias in major news organizations.  

      So take that, indeed.  It's about time.

      on strike.

      by daria g on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:43:59 PM PDT

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      •  Knee jerk defence (none / 0)

          Think that conservative pundits have preached that the media is liberally biased that it has become reflexive. They created the frame a long time ago, and use it well. If the media has an effective story critical of the President, then someone says it's an example of media bias. They live in a world where nothing can hurt their faith in their leader. Nothing he says is wrong, because he says so. Fortunately, it has become so obvious now that Kerry can credibly say that the President is out of touch.
          Keep hammering on the facts. Demand an explanation, and when none is given question his ability to govern.

        If we abandon our allies and their issues, who will defend us and ours?

        by Bryce in Seattle on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 05:34:49 AM PDT

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  •  Recorded it and I'll try to transcribe (4.00 / 9)

    They start off saying something about "let's review the facts and keep politics out of it."

    Brown asks Kay straight out if it's "Game/Set/Match" in regard to the KSTP tape.  Kay says yes, at least in regard to this one bunker.

    He says that the tape shows a bunker and a seal and a group of solkdiers opening it up.  He says that the frightening thing is that the soldiers left after opening up the bunker.  "If you open an arms bunker, you own it...at least in terms of security."

    He thought they probably didn't know they had HMX, but they knew they had explosives.  

    Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons of explosives after the invasion according to Kay.

    Was there any reason not to have anticipated that there would be weapons like this?  Absolutely not.  That was one of the best-documented sites in the country.  

    These are not classified as a WMD.  This is not a proliferation issue.  It's very dangerous because it bblows things up, but it had nothing to do with illegal arms.  

    Run your fork-ed tongue along my scar

    by figdish on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:46:27 PM PDT

    •  A bad day for Bush = (3.85 / 7)

      The truly sad and tragic piece of this story is the irony of -- if it's a bad day for Bush, as today is especially after seeing Kay on Aaron Brown, it is a very bad day for Iraq and our troops.  The potential danger and threat of these missing explosives isn't being discounted by anyone.  

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      by caliberal on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:40:16 PM PDT

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      •  Precisely the point.... (none / 0)

        ...our USA will have to work for decades to earn the forgiveness of our troops, their families, our allies and the Iraqi citizenry for the crimes of shrubco.

        And, if anyone thinks otherwise, they are just as clueless, and thereby, dangersous, as shrub and the neocons.

        by understandinglife on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:34:16 PM PDT

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    •  No proliferation issue, no IAEA tags & seals (none / 0)

      HMX is useful as a conventional explosive, but is proliferation sensitive as the explosive of choice for nuke triggers.

      The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

      by RonK Seattle on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 10:14:08 PM PDT

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  •  Game, set, match (4.00 / 9)

    indeed. Nothing left to say.

    This is the final image of the Campaign season.

    Kerry can hammer it a little more.  But what is left to say?

    If Bush wins now, after fucking up royally, after lying about it for a week.  After getting caught BIG TIME in the lie.  And now the SCLM will hit him pretty good on it for the next few days.

    Well, then this Country is too stupid for anything better.

    And we might asd well just all fucking leave before we're all thrown in jail.

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:48:18 PM PDT

  •  Clip! (none / 0)

    We who missed this exchange need a clip!

    anyone?

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:51:01 PM PDT

  •  Unbelievable . . . (4.00 / 15)

    Aaron Brown was just reviewing mroning papers and pointed out the new Wash Times article on the Russian claim. He stopped and said something to the effect of: "look, you can argue about it all you want, but for me this debate is over after that video." Then he nearly chuckled and mumbled something about the Washington Times.

    The debate is over, indeed.

    by ruben on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:55:27 PM PDT

  •  Goddamn (none / 0)

    I just got to smile a little bit too, reading the NYT article.

    I'm pleasantly surprised that this came from one of my local stations. I might start watching KSTP more often...but probably not. Nice anyways.

    This post was made on a Mac.

    by Owain on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 07:58:37 PM PDT

  •  Wait a minute. Don't let this slip by. (4.00 / 33)

    In a final blow to recent conservative spin he was asked if they were classified as WMD. He replied point blank, "absolutely not."

    There's a fine point to be made here, and we shouldn't miss it. It may not change the story as most people digest it, but you know us, we love nuance.

    These explosives are, by themselves, not WMD. No doubt about that.

    But let's ask ourselves, why would these conventional explosives be under seal by the International ATOMIC ENERGY Agency?

    They're under seal because they're powerful and potent enough to be used as a triggering device for a nuclear weapon. In the fuzzy thinking of the administration, that would make their stockpiling a "WMD-related program activity."

    Now, what that means is that had the administration made it a priority to secure these explosives -- which they were specifically warned of and pointed to by the IAEA, an arm of the U.N. -- they would have had a tremendous public relations opportunity to exploit. They would have seized -- on camera, thanks to embedded reporters -- materiel that even the doves and foot-draggers at the much-maligned United Nations agreed was evidence of Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions.

    Got that?

    They had a chance (albeit a shaky one that wouldn't have stood thorough analysis) to show the world that not only was Saddam pursuing the bomb, but that the U.N. knew it and still tried to coddle him. It would have been a huge P.R. coup.

    The fact that they didn't do this tells you all you'll ever need to know about the credence WMD claims were actually given, even among the very people who made them.

    We always knew they were full of shit on that score. We just never dreamed they'd tie themselves in such knots that they'd one day blurt it out.

    by Kagro X on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:03:16 PM PDT

    •  Bingo (4.00 / 5)

      You are exactly right.

      They had the opportunity -- even though WMD programs weren't the excuse yet at that point; they were still claiming that weapons of mass distraction acutally existed, so this didn't appeal to them on perhaps two accounts: it had already been locked up by the IAEA and it wasn't a WMD, but a related component.

      Obviously they can't think more than two steps ahead pr recall the previous two steps.

      At least partial truth has been revealed -- that WMD was not the reason for invading Iraq (even though it was the only one given at the time). When will the rest of the truth be revealed (personal vendeta and oil greed)?

      We'll see you at The Hague.  :-)

      Chaos. It's not just a theory.

      by PBnJ on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:14:33 PM PDT

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      •  Further clarification (4.00 / 3)

        It was dual use explosives.  Remember the "dual use" trailers?

        Why the hell didn't they trumpet this?  Oh, that's right, they didn't give a shit.

        by Craziel on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:22:23 PM PDT

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        •  Right: HMX/RDX can blow up airplanes (none / 0)

          or blow up humvees, maiming US troops.  One pound took down an airliner, and there were over 800,000 pounds in the complex.

          800,000 major bombs.

          The Democratic Party: We the People (7801)

          by JimPortlandOR on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:37:07 PM PDT

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          •  If I was a wingnut (none / 0)

            I'd be talking about how Iraq had hundreds of thousands of tons of explosives, the equivalent of a few nukes, and how just one pound of this stuff could take down an airliner. I'd be talking about how dangerous these stockpiles were and how great it is that we took them out of Saddam's hands.

            But did you hear anyone, even Hannity, talking about this stuff? Nope. It wasn't until this week that we learn about these tons of high-powered explosives. And we learn about them only because the Bush team didn't secure these bunkers and didn't keep these explosives away from the terrorists.

            Think about it.  By May of 2003 the Bush team knew that thousands of tons of these high-powered explosives had been looted. THAT'S why they didn't trumpet these findings as proof of Saddam's dangerous capability -- because our war caused these explosives to fall into enemy hands!!

            Good fucking job, Bush! You suck!

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            by existenz on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 10:00:12 PM PDT

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            •  Yea, yea, and thrice yea! (none / 0)

              By the way, does anyone know the origin and originator of the term 'wingnut'?

              Four more years of peace and prosperity---not

              by stunster on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 12:11:19 AM PDT

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              •  It is a nut with extensions for hand tightening (none / 1)

                they are designed for use where constant adjustment of a secured item is needed

                a wingnut allows the item to be unsecured, adjusted, and retightened without using a wrench

                who first applied the term to the idiots on the fringe right, I have no fucking clue

                But I think we should stop insulting these handy inanamate tightening devices by associating them with the stupidest humans known in the universe

                a real wingnut serves a purpose, and can be very helpful, unlike the stupid humans who are often called "Wingnuts"

                Sorry, I couldn't help myself

                by knowthings on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 01:01:40 AM PDT

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              •  As in "right WING NUTS". (none / 0)

                And I agree, it's an insult to the handy little tool-type wingnuts that at least are useful to society by holding things together.

                by shelle on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 01:35:28 AM PDT

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      •  Here's what I heard (none / 1)

        I believe the person who told me this believed it and he had access to insider views though not necessarily high level info. Judge it as you will. Here's  the chronology as my source tells it:

        1. Saudi Arabia 'invited' us to leave - meaning no more bases
        2. this meant we were about to loose our ability to block Iraq  as well as the ability to do fly overs easily
        3. Invading Iraq was the solution to both problems.

        Part of this jibes - the Saudi's DID ask us to leave, but it's also known that BushCo wanted to go into Iraq much earlier so my view of this info is that the Saudi decision pushed them to move ASAP which was why it was so hurried. Beyond that, invading Iraq jibes perfectly with the needs of big oil and the neocon global domination fantasy.

        by storme on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:02:15 PM PDT

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    •  You are so right (none / 1)

      I thought about going off and creating a new screen name just to give this post an extra "4" tomorrow- which it deserves.
        But I'm either ethical or lazy so I won't bother, you'll have to be satisfied with just one 4 from me.

      Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

      by Myrkury on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:20:49 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, well put, Kargo...and (none / 0)

      I'll tack on, for effect, that they did quickly and effectively secure the Oil Ministry.

      Show of hands... who would join Kucinich's effort to impeach VP Cheney?

      by Mogolori on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:49:40 PM PDT

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      •  Isn't it wonderful? (4.00 / 3)

        What a gift!

        We found out relatively quickly that the "liberation of the Iraqi people" thing was nonsense, when we learned that we had re-established the "rape rooms" and passed the days torturing the locals.

        We knew almost as soon as it was uttered that the "close ties to al Qaeda" thing was bullshit.

        But we never got a really clear indication that even the administration didn't believe the WMD claims, or at least didn't really care much about them if they did, until just now. I really didn't think they'd be so generous with that one. It seemed to be working so well with people, this idea that it was at least plausible that it might not have been a lie, but rather just a big misunderstanding. An "intelligence failure."

        How fantastic, how truly unexpected this is! I thought they'd be able to cling to the gray area between "outright lie" and "bad intelligence" forever if they wanted to. Or at least until November 3rd. But no such luck! Too bad, so sad. They really had the American people going on that one for a while. Hoo-wee!

        Well, one day we'll all look back on this and laugh, eh? Boy howdy.

        by Kagro X on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:58:58 PM PDT

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    •  Like the comment? You'll love the diary! (none / 0)

      By definition! It's the same damned thing, nearly verbatim!

      I only bring it up because I'd like to see it live on as a separate point for the weekend talk shows, and I think we have a chance of getting it seen and talked about if we...yes...recommend the diary.

      [ducking bottles and fruit]

      Of course, this diary is now recommended and highly visible, so that's good. But I thought it couldn't hurt to give it a little extra play.

      So how about it? Keep it where we can see it, before the Russians make off with it.

      by Kagro X on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:18:18 PM PDT

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  •  Aaron Brown (4.00 / 2)

    Aaron Brown just got his wings in heaven.

    by citizengeo on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:05:22 PM PDT

    •  Aaron Brown (4.00 / 2)

      Yes AaronBrown got the message out. However, i also note that he said "I don't want to get political now." Since when is it political to report on facts. It would also not be political to say "so the evidence disputes what Bush has maintained that we don't know when the explosives disappeared."

      It kills me that the media seems to think pointing out facts that are different than Rove's spin is political.

      by marysk on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:52:33 PM PDT

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      •  Right ON (none / 1)

        Seriously...not EVERYTHING has to be "political." A fact is a fact. We don't need to hear from the right AND the left on the issue, as is par for the course on these ridiculous cable news opinion shows. There is no debate as far as I'm concerned over a fact that shows this president and his phony war are failing and failing miserably. This topic is NOT up for spinning.

        by NoSurrender on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 06:48:53 AM PDT

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  •  Damn, the Freeper response is funny... (3.92 / 14)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1260846/posts
    A sampling:

    David Kay is all over CNN saying that the material in the barrels was HMX, and that the US didn't provide security for the site. Basically, he has taken the John Kerry "the troops screwed up" side.

    I'm very afraid our side is going to lose this one. That tv station video is killing us.

    David Kay has been in hiding for just this moment and seeming "a-political" just so he can jump in and get his name in the Kerry cabinet pool.

    NOBODY except Kerry supporters and MSM cares about this.

    I fear tomorrow is going to be a bad day for the
    Bush Campaign.

    Unless Rove can negate the tape, the Sunday
    talkers will bury us.

    Kay destroyed the President and you know damn well CNN will play that piece over and over and over.

    get ready for this weekend bombshell on the Kerry Camp.
    What would that be? idle speculation?
    Any details?

    Watching Aaron Brown claim "Game, Set, Match" is pretty f--cking annoying.

    Please stop fretting! Trust in God! [...] the Lord is with us!

    Export democracy: Draft a Republican.

    by turbonium on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:05:47 PM PDT

    •  Exactly (none / 0)

      I am so glad you pointed this out so clearly.

      I have also noted that some spinners have been able to suggest a WMD=connection.

      by ask on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:08:26 PM PDT

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    •  "the Lord is with you" (4.00 / 3)

      The good Lord is accompanying you to the door, at which time, he'll transfer the leash to whatever demon'll take you.

      by citizengeo on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:14:31 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah. Trust the Lord. (none / 0)

        The Lord loves President Bush so much that to turn out to vote for him is actually an act of disbelief in God and His special relationship with Dubya.

        So, Freepers, don't vote - Trust in God!

        The times, they are a-changin'

        by Malacandra on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:58:29 PM PDT

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    •  good lord (4.00 / 2)

      I'm just glad the lord was with the news crew!

      by nholshouser on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:20:53 PM PDT

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    •  This outrages me (4.00 / 6)

      Basically, he has taken the John Kerry "the troops screwed up" side.

      I get outraged when I hear things like that. Did David Kay say anywhere that the troops screwed up? Did John Kerry? NO! Clearly the responsibility lies at the highest levels of the WH and DoD, which FAILED to make security a top priority. Yet the rethugs, as usual, try to turn it into "Kerry is against the troops". Giuliani was the one who tried to pin it on the troops. This makes my blood boil.

      by logorrhea on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:21:02 PM PDT

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    •  Ick... I need a shower (none / 1)

      My favorite was the line comparing the video from KSTP to a Nazi propaganda film.

      Priceless!

      Now, back to that shower.

      NARAL and HRC endorsed Lieberman. Therefore, I can no longer endorse them.

      by LeftofArizona on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:23:37 PM PDT

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    •  OTOH, this makes me laugh (none / 0)

      get ready for this weekend bombshell on the Kerry Camp.

      I hope it's as good as the puppies or the "all the members of the Security Council" thing, which I had to look up because I had already forgotten what last weekend's "sure bombshell" was. Let's face it...if BushCo had any really good dirt on Kerry, they would not be holding it til now.

      by logorrhea on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:28:43 PM PDT

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    •  that sizzle you hear (4.00 / 7)

      Is the sound of freeper brain shorting out:

      I saw the tape as well. I was quite surprised at it.

      I simply did not know what to think. I began to think of the Nazi propaganda films concerning the Sudetenland. I simply cannot believe that such footage was out there after all that I had read today concerning this bogus story.

      Is that video real? It seems to me that it cannot be. I simply do not want to believe my lying eyes.

      I may just tune out for the next 5 days. That clip was over the top for me.

      PS accepting nominations for my new kos-name *sigh*

      by GoKeever on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:30:39 PM PDT

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    •  asdf (none / 1)

      NOBODY except Kerry supporters and MSM cares about this.

      i think it would be fair to say that the hundreds and hundreds of dead soldiers, and thousands and thousands of maimed ones might also care a slight bit about this.

      since this stuff is what the insurgents are building their improvised explosive devices with.

      which are what 75% of american troops have been killed with.  

      try again moron right winger

      by wastelandusa on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:47:59 PM PDT

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    •  That's Rudy's line.... (4.00 / 5)


      Basically, he has taken the John Kerry "the troops screwed up" side.

      Except, I don't think I ever heard Kerry blame the troops. That was W's mouthpiece Rudy G.

      To keep the momentum, Kerry has to be very clear that the buck has to FINALLY stop up the chain of command.

      The troops most likely had no clear orders or mandate to secure the site.. and would probably have gotten in trouble for slowing the march to Baghdad.

      To overuse the already overused Pottery Barn cliche: Even if the little boy breaks the pot, Mom and Dad are the ones who have to pay for it.

      by Recluse on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:48:24 PM PDT

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      •  OOPS! (none / 0)

        Missed the post above that says pretty much what I just said...too excited I guess. So much for my very first comment :-/

        by Recluse on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:52:31 PM PDT

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      •  Dream sequence (none / 1)

        "No, Mr Pretzledent, I am not blaming our troops. I'm blaming you and I'm blaming your administration -- Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice and Dick Cheney among other -- for not supporting our troops and sacrificing them in your personal vendetta and to feed your insatiable, satanic hunger for more oil. You, Mr Chimperor, are the one who must take responsiblity."

        Mmmm.... five more days.

        A la Ralph Wiggum: Your hands smell like blood, Furious George.   :-)

        Chaos. It's not just a theory.

        by PBnJ on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:15:18 PM PDT

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    •  "The Lord is with You" (4.00 / 2)

      They've got it backwards.

      They better hope that they're with the Lord.

      Pricks.

      "I think I can forgive you now," Clarke says he replied. "I'd like to ask you to," McClellan reportedly answered. - May 30, 2008

      by nomes on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:50:05 PM PDT

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    •  oh my goodness... (none / 0)

      These people are an embarrassment to everyone with a functioning brain.  

      by madbiker on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:52:39 PM PDT

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    •  If no one cares about this... (none / 1)

      Why do they get so defensive about it being reported?  If no one really cared about it, it couldn't do much damage (ala Mary Cheney).  

      Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

      by Asak on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 09:00:36 PM PDT

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  •  Drudge Report (none / 0)

    Is linking to the NY Times story now (actually, as of a minute ago, he had the headline up but it wasn't linking anywhere).

    This will be major news right up to the election.  As the freepers say above, this will dominate the unday talk shows, as it should.

    Game. Set. Match.

    I love it.

    by Melquiades on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:08:23 PM PDT

  •  A Kerry surrogate (4.00 / 4)

    could not have been any better.

    He even said point blank that this was certainly HMX - something which I haven't seen anyone knowledge confirm today.  Everyone here discussed the 1.1.D tag with the rational "it's on a list of 50 other explosives"....

    ..but hey - if Bush's hand-picked inspector says it's HMX, says it should have been secured, says this "you unseal it, you bought it", who am I to argue.

    I have to be honest - despite being Catholic, I'm not very religiouys (or is - "as a Catholic" ;-), but this almost seems like God is sort of stretching that free will theory to it limits...

    Almost like "Alright numnuts, I'm getting pissed up here.  Do you get it now, or do I have to suspend free will for a few days?"

    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

    by zonk on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:12:22 PM PDT

    •  "I'm not very religious..." (4.00 / 6)

      OK, I love this angle you're on.

      There was an episode of The West Wing, where Sheen calls in his priest for guidance on whether or not to stay a federal execution.

      The priest tells this story:

      A farmer heard on the radio that lfoods were coming and everyone should leave the area or drown. "I'm a man of faith and God will protect me," the farmer said.

      The rains came. The police came by and told the farmer to leave. "I'm a man of faith and God will protect me," the farmer said.

      The water came up to the house. A boat came by and told the farmer to get in. "I'm a man of faith and God will protect me," the farmer said.

      The water came up to the roof. A helicopter came and lowered a ladder. "I'm a man of faith and God will protect me," the farmer said.

      The man died. In heaven, he demanded to see God. "Why didn't you save me? I'm a man of faith and I thought you would protect me," the farmer said.

      God says, "I sent you readio report, the police, a boat, and a helicopter. What are you doing here?"

      Are these not enough divine signs to tell people that the shrub not only needs to be out of the house, but in The Hague?

      :-)

      Chaos. It's not just a theory.

      by PBnJ on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:31:22 PM PDT

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      •  God of surprises (none / 0)

        A few days ago, on another forum, I sent this post, referring to an atheist on that forum, whose surname is McMullen.   I'm a Catholic, and quite religious, and McMullen and I often debate the truth or otherwise of Catholicism.   Anyway, this is what I wrote, not knowing that God was going to come up the al-Qaqaa fiasco (oh yeah--thanks, God):  

        As www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com put it recently, sometimes God works in mysterious ways, and other times He just kicks serious ass! ;-)

        Bill Bennett, conservative family values sage and drug czar, exposed as having an obscene gambling
        addiction (millions of dollars blown).

        Lush Rimjob, right wing talk radio legend (aka
        "a big fat idiot"), exposed as having prescription
        drug addiction.

        And now Bill outed as a phone sex pervert.

        Thank you, GOD!   Now if you could just do a wee
        number on Dubya, even McMullen might come around. ;-}

        Four more years of peace and prosperity---not

        by stunster on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 12:04:50 AM PDT

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    •  "you unseal it, you bought it" (none / 1)

      The corrolary to the Potery Barn rule cited by Powell (and denied by Pottery Barn).  Perhaps this is the Bomb Barn rule.

      by Cache on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 10:26:47 PM PDT

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  •  This needs to be made into a commercial (none / 0)

    nm

    by Ultra on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 08:13:31 PM PDT

    •  or a MOVIE !!! (