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Cross-posted from MyDD

Another outpost of the Republican Noise Machine discovered. Sunshine is the best medicine for this sort of thing, so please take one of the actions listed near the end.

This is a bit elliptical, but bear with me...

1. Recent Democratic Participation Within the Republican Noise Machine
Back in January, I spent a lot of time and effort here at MyDD writing about the Mercatus Center. Specifically, I wrote about it because I had discovered, much to my disgust, that it was a branch of the Republican Noise Machine. The reason this was a problem was that Tim Roemer, who was running for DNC Chair at the time, was actively encouraging all Democratic Congressional Chiefs of Staff to attend a retreat they were holding on Social Security. This was not a fruitless exercise on his part either, since the previous year thirty-four Democratic Congressional Chiefs of Staff had attended the Mercatus Center retreat. In other words, Democrats were actively participating within the same Message Machine that has led to the rise of the modern conservative movement. They were feeding, and being fed by, the same machine that works to defeat Democrats.

2. Conservative Dominance of Local Blogospheres
Last month, when discussing conservative dominance of local political blogospheres, I wrote the following:

Pennsylvania is an excellent example of this problem. Philadelphia is arguably the nation's lefty blogging capital. With at least fifteen of the one hundred and three lefty blogs in this study, not to mention ten of the top fifty most trafficked left wing blogs, you would think that local Pennsylvania blogs are dominated by liberals, right? Wrongo. The only two sites in the blogads traffic rankings that were dedicated solely to Pennsylvania statewide politics were Grassroots PA and Keystone politics, both of which are conservative blogs. Much the same can be said for Politics PA, which does not use BlogAds. Even in a region steeped in popular left wing blogs, conservatives ruled the local political blogging scene. Don't even get Matt Stoller started on the superior strength of local conservative web log rings.
Many of my progressive activist friends in the area use PoliticsPA as a source of breaking news on the Pennsylvania political scene. Over the past few months, as I have tried to beomce more active in the local scene, I have taken to reading Politics PA every day as well. Further, many of my local progressive blogging friends and colleagues, including Chris at Rowhouse Logic, Above Average Jane, America's Hometown, Albert Yee, and the gang at Young Philly Politics are linked in the Politics PA blogroll, and reciprocate by blogrolling Politics PA. Some other prominent local Democratic bloggers, including Will Bunch and State Rep Mark Cohen, are linked by PoliticsPA, but they do not reciprocate.

In a state and region flush with progressive blogs, for local political news many progressive activists in the region turn to Politics PA. They do so because there is no progressive website focused on Pennsylvania Politics. Grassroots PA is rank conservative, and Keystone Politics is always trying to be more-moderate-than-thou. While I don't think anyone I know thought Politics PA was progressive, it did at least, as demonstrated above, engage in a local link exchange, and so local Democrats participated.

3. The Republican Noise Machine Enters Local Blogospheres

The first two sections of this piece may seem elliptical, but there is an important connection. Yesterday, I wrote an article entitled Politics PA Donkey Splat, concerning a ridiculous and fabricated article Politics PA had written about the candidate I am supporting (as an unpaid volunteer) for the Democratic nomination in PA-08: Ginny Schrader. In the comments, a new commenter, VeritasLux, provided readers with some eye-opening information on Politics PA:

The site PoliticsPA.com is registered to the pseudonymous "Wally Edge"--along with PoliticsNJ.com. Hm-m-m, Wally Edge or is it Wedge Ally? Following the link two steps further, all of these politicsNJ/PA/NH, etc. sites apparently are the stepchildren of the Publius Institute, which is itself apparently a creation of the Claremont Institute--a conservative think tank in Claremont, CA. Since Claremont lists Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. (of ES&S and voting machine fame) on its board of directors, and his wife, Roberta Green Ahmanson, on the same web page, it is logical to assume, as with many right-wing, Christian Reconstructionist groups, that Claremont is funded by the Ahmansons. (See: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/01/06/ahmanson)

It might be worth a few hundred emails to good friend "Wally" asking them why they are performing unsubstantiated and anonymous hatchet jobs on Democratic candidates--although given the shady connections, I'd say that Ginny and Chris should take Claremont's sleazy, little, anonymous bitch slap as a compliment. Email information for these two groups is listed below.

Here also is a piece from the Boston Phoenix about the role in the 2004 NH primary of PoliticsNH.com, the sister site to PoliticsPA. The article can be found at http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/ news_features/talking_politics/documents/02685359.htm

At PoliticsNH.com <<Click on " Our Team, " and it brings you to the photos and brief bios of four staffers: managing editor James W. Pindell; senior editor Brian P. Murphy, a former staffer for George magazine; Jordan S. Lieberman, who is the president of the Publius Group, which owns the site along with several others, including PoliticsNJ, PoliticsVT, and PoliticsNY; and columnist Dante J. Scala, who is also an assistant professor of politics at Saint Anselm College.<p> A check through the Networks Solutions search site reveals that PoliticsNH is registered to NameSecure.com. Wally Edge is listed as the site's " administrative contact. " Edge did not return a call from the Phoenix. On the PoliticsNJ site, though, the " About Us " link says, " PoliticsNJ.com is operated by The Publius Group (ED. Note-an apparent front for The Claremont Institute) and our editor is Wally Edge, a pseudonym for the people who are working on this site. "

Last February, Roll Call columnist Stuart Rothenberg did a piece on anonymous political Web sites. When he called the Publius Group, Lieberman called him back but wouldn't provide additional details on who was backing the venture. Rather than identifying himself as the president of the Publius Group, as he's now listed on PoliticsNH.com, Lieberman told Rothenberg that he handled marketing for the company. Rothenberg's conclusion? " The potential for abuse with these sites is enormous. What would stop a candidate from setting up an anonymous political site and using it as a way to undercut or discredit an opponent? "

The answer is nothing. In the meantime, PoliticsNH generates buzz.>>

So, I'd say the Repugs are scared of Ginny and the netroots and are using their usual clandestine operations to try and neutralize the netroots long before the 2006 election. (BTW, their activities sound like a great basis for a blog that outs these manipulations and informs the mainstream media in real time.) Keep up the good work. OH-2 and the Hackett campaign obviously scared the hell out of them.

In light and truth,
VeritasLux

Claremont Institute info (...):
jjaime@claremont.org
and Bob Gransden
bgransden@claremont.org

PoliticsPA/PoliticsNJ Info:
PoliticsNJ.com
409 Washington Street
PMB 361
Hoboken, NJ 07030
(Pseudonym) Wally Edge
wedge@politicsnj.com

I checked it out, and it is all true. The Claremont Institute is undeniably part of the Republican Noise Machine. First, look at this post, and then look at who funds the Claremont Institute. And the connection between Publius and the Claremont Institute isn't hard to find either, since the Claremont Institute has a webpage featuring their Publius fellow program. Coincidentally, I’m sure, that program was started in 2000, the same year the Publius Group was founded.

It couldn't be any more clear: PoliticsPA is funded by the Republican Noise Machine. Like the Mercatus Center, it is just another tentacle they use to twist the national discourse, and it has pulled in many unknowing progressives, including myself.

4. End Progressive Netroots Participation within the Republican Noise Machine.

The way they bashed Dean, praise insiders, and bashed Ginny and the local netroots: it all makes sense now. This is just another part of the massive conservative project to dominate the national political discourse. What Pennsylvania progressives need to do about this is to expose it as best they can, and stop participating in the site altogether. Within the netroots, we can do this as follows:

  • If you have a blog, link to this article, and write about it.
  • If you are linked on their blogroll, ask them to remove you.
  • If you link Politics PA, remove that link now, and explain why.
  • If you do not have a blog, send an email linking this story to progressive friends you know in Pennsylvania who read, or might read, Politics PA.
  • If you live in Pennsylvania, send this article to your elected Democratic officials and candidates and urge them to immediately end all contact with Politics PA.
Politics PA is free to exist, and to write whatever it wants. It is free to do so anonymously. However, Democrats should never take part in the Republican Noise Machine. And don't give me the freedom of expression argument either. This isn't about freedom--this is about Republicans building a massive, extremely well-funded message machine to completely dominate the national political discourse. Helping them do so is nothing but self-defeating.

Enough is enough. No wonder conservatives dominate local blogospheres. It's time to pull the plug on Politics PA.

Originally posted to Chris Bowers on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 11:27 AM PDT.

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  •  Take the actions, please rec (4.00)
    No matter where you live in PA, or what candidates you support, this sort of thing is damaging to our cause.
  •  Question... (none)
    Wasn't this sort of activity what the FEC thought they were getting at with their latest regulatory scheme?

    It may not actually have been the most likely result of the scheme they proposed, but I thought this was what they were supposedly targeting.

    •  I don't know (none)
      Adam's the expert on that one.

      Still, I don't think government regulation is the answer. Progressives should be able to regulate themselves to not participate in stuff like this.

      •  We're going to have to. (none)
        Not only would certain members of the FEC not be particularly inclined to intervene on our behalf, no matter what the circumstances, but we can also be pretty certain we won't get much in the way of a sympathetic reception if we were to turn to them for help now.
    •  look at FEC filing forms (none)
      If we scrutinize FEC filing forms closely we will be able to catch this stuff. Political parties (down to the county level) and candidates have to document all expenditures. If we look at their filing forms we should be able to document this part of their noise machine.

      In addition to Bowers execellent work here.

      •  It won't be in there. (none)
        These sites almost certainly won't be declaring any support they might throw to candidates as an in-kind contribution. They'll consider it independent advocacy, and apparently, as long as it's not funded directly by one party or another, it's OK with the FEC.

        I thought that was going to be the eventual thrust of what they were doing recently, and which Markos and acbonin were opposing, but I was either entirely wrong or just looking too far ahead.

        What I think they're doing here is funding a series of sites that are designed to occupy the frontlines of online political information and commentary, which, while disguised as non-partisan, will instead be promulgating pro-Republican propaganda.

        Now, this is just a guess. And from what little I've read, it seems that the PoliticsNJ site has gained local acceptance as non-partisan. So it may very well be that this is nothing more than a business venture that happens to have been conceived by someone who in turn just happens to be a Republican.

        But the flip side of it is that it could be something quite insidious, too. But either way, it seems designed in such a way as to evade the FEC purview. At least for the moment.

        The sneakiest possible plan would be one in which the network of right-wing foundations pay for a network of such sites, which cultivate a right-leaning non-partisanship right up until some critical moment, at which they either unleash a volley of partisan criticism of local Dems, or even just subtly advocate against them. Such a network would be non-party affiliated, and ostensibly engaging in non-regulated (and possibly non-regulatable) political speech, which would inure strongly to the benefit of Republican candidates, but not have to be reported to anyone. Such a network could probably even operate as a non-profit, so that its funding would be tax deductible.

  •  I hope you're archiving this stuff (none)
    Remember how quickly things about Jeff Gannon disappeared from sites during research.
  •  Although (4.00)
    I don't live in PA, I was part of the blogosphere support for Ginny last year and am glad to see she is running again.  

    What to do about the stealth campaign against her?  I am not sophisticated with these sorts of things, but I think she should step up to the plate and begin talking about the smears against her.  Put the smearers on the defensive.  Expose them for what they are and what they do.  One of the things I fault Dems for is not responding to smears, thinking they will go away.  If candidates don't defend themselves, the public may think they have something to hide.

    I always thought Gore could have done a better job at deflecting smears and the same goes to Kerry.  

    If science proves facts that conflict with Buddhist understanding, Buddhism must change accordingly. " - The Dalai Lama

    by LynChi on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:07:43 PM PDT

    •  wait one second, though (none)
      Just because Ginny may have been mistreated by one post does not make her the preferred Democratic candidate above all others in the field.  She has more going for her than being a victim, but the other candidates have their merits as well.

      "Any content-based regulation of the Internet, no matter how benign the purpose, could burn the global village to roast the pig." -- ACLU v Reno (E.D. Pa. 1996)

      by Adam B on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:03:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The specific and the general (none)
          Today they might be smearing candidate A (say, Ginny) but in general the RNM will be smearing all the Demo candidates that reach a certain threshold. So, Ginny could phrase her direct response to whatever smearing of her that took place into a general response for all Democratic candidates. That's just a matter of phrasing.

          The Demos could seek a certain solidarity of purpose from all Demo candidates wrt such tactics: immediate response on the personal and synchronous developed state-wide response against the group or groups doing so. By their attacks, the RNM will reveal itself and give the opening.

      •  Mistreatment?? (none)
        I don't think so.  Calling it "mistreatment" is too kind a word to use against their smear machine.  They lied.  They made up stories.  Did you read what Chris had to say at PoliticsPA Donkey Splat?  Did you read his response to them when he called them on their lies?  It is pretty obvious that they are starting a smear campaign against her.  

        And, yes, I think Ginny has more going for her than just being victim.  But more important, this is a tactic commonly used by the Repubs and I want to see them exposed.  Silence is NOT a useful response to them.  Failure to fight back only emboldens them further.

        If science proves facts that conflict with Buddhist understanding, Buddhism must change accordingly. " - The Dalai Lama

        by LynChi on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 02:33:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I read it, of course. (none)
          Chris feels very defensive about Ginny Schrader.  I wasn't on the call, so I don't know what really happened.

          "Any content-based regulation of the Internet, no matter how benign the purpose, could burn the global village to roast the pig." -- ACLU v Reno (E.D. Pa. 1996)

          by Adam B on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 07:37:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Paul Lang is also running (none)
      for the Democratic nomination in PA-08.  Coast Guard veteran, visit his website:
      http://electlang.com/
  •  Next question. (4.00)
    Is it just PA/NJ/NH? It looks to me like they've put together a pretty solid formula here. You snatch up a bunch of non-partisan and innocuous-sounding names (PoliticsIA, PoliticsFL, and what have you), and populate them with conservative operatives.

    Those names both give cover to the operation's true nature (as opposed to, say, GOPUSA) and guarantee a pretty prominent placement in search engines when unsuspecting folks go looking for political commentary and information specific to their states.

    This is something I would think they'd be doing in every state, even if they haven't got any reason to do it yet. Just hold the domain names until they become necessary or can be populated.

    •  Jerome says VT too (none)
      We must keep digging. You've always been good at that, haven't you? :-)
      •  Well, you have your answer below. (none)
        Seems I don't even have to do my own digging anymore. It's like that commercial, where the consultants say, "We don't actually do what we propose. We just propose it."
        •  And PoliticsCA too (none)
          None of the respondents below caught the most populous state in the union: PoliticsCA.com

          WHOIS information for politicsca.com:

          [whois.namesecure.com]
          Registrant:
          WALLY EDGE
          POLITICSNJ.COM
          409 Washington Street
          PMB 361
          Hoboken, NJ  US
          07030

          Registrar: NameSecure.com
          Domain: POLITICSCA.COM
          Created on 10-30-2001
          Expires on 10-30-2006

          Administrative Contact:
          WALLY EDGE
          Phone: 201-221-8033
          E-mail: wedge@politicsnj.com

          Technical Contact:
          Namesecure Inc.
          Phone: 570-708-8418

          409 Washingon Street is the home of, you guessed, it, a Mail Boxes Etc.  The phone number is Hackensack (NJ) based (close to Ridgewood, location of another PoliticsXX site), owned by Teleport Communications Group - New York - NJ.

          Never heard of Teleport Communications Group?  Neither had I, as they merged with AT&T in 1998.  This class-action lawsuit identified Teleport (here headquartered in Staten Island, NY instead of current Dayton, NJ) as "one of the largest local Telephone exchange carriers" and on the alumni group it was referred to as a CLEC (Competitive Local Exchange Carrier).

          Hmmmm.

          Here's a 2002 article musing over the mysterious Wally Edge.  In the article Edge claims it's a psuedonym honoring past NJ politicians (a governor and a senator).  Ditto for the Publius Group, which owns these sites; Publius being a psuedonym from the Federalist Papers.

          Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

          by madhaus on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 06:44:51 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Root Them out of the Closet (4.00)
        Political operatives who conceal their machinations behind so many veils of intended obfuscation need to hide some if not all of the following:

        • illegal activity
        • shameful activity
        • dirty tricks activity
        • secret activity on behalf of someone who could be significantly damaged were it known

        Why are these hatchet groups afraid of Politics in the Sunshine?

        They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

        by Limelite on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 03:59:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Politicsma.com (none)
        Not in use yet.

        How do I go about researching the conservative infiltration of the MA blogosphere? I suspect it's not much, considering the GOP doesn't really exist here. I bet politicsca.com and politicsma.com are the last sites to be built...

        I'm part of the local progressive blogging scene (have a small blog in Lowell). The MA blogs are pretty active. I suppose I should be monitoring any conservative MA blogs.

        Maybe that'll be one of the topics at this fall's MA Progressive Blogathering (coming soon to a town probably in central MA - BTW, if you are a Masshole blogger - or reader - who's interested in helping plan/attend, email me at lynne at leftinlowell *dot com).

    •  Nope. (4.00)
      PoliticsCa.com

      Registrant:
      WALLY EDGE
      POLITICSNJ.COM
      409 Washington Street
      PMB 361
      Hoboken, NJ  US
      07030

      Registrar: NameSecure.com
      Domain: POLITICSCA.COM
      Created on 10-30-2001
      Expires on 10-30-2006

      Administrative Contact:
      WALLY EDGE
      Phone: 201-221-8033
      E-mail: wedge@politicsnj.com

    •  Other sites owned by this idiot: (4.00)
      Politicsny.com
      Politicsvt.com
      Politicsus.com
      •  Politicsor.com (none)
        is "under construction and coming soon" ~

        "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful & murder respectable, & to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." ~ George Orwell

        by Pandora on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:36:08 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  PoliticsFL owned by company in New Jersey (none)
      PoliticsFL.com is owned by Jon Kurpis (also listed as Jonathan Kurpis):

      Registrant:
         IDEAS, Inc.
         545 Route 17 South
         Suite 2005
         Ridgewood, New Jersey 07450
         United States

    •  We can do it too (none)
      IIRC, Troutfishing was working on a project that would start Scoop sites analogous to dKos for state and local politics.  It sounded like a great idea.  Now that we read Chris' heads-up, it sounds like an even better one.

      Give Troutfishing some encouragement and help.

      Lies are the new truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:32:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Politicswa.com (none)
      Politicswa also owned by Wally Edge

      Politicsia, however, owned by Allen Raymond of Virginia

    •  Guess who owns PoliticsIL..just guess (none)
      WALLY EDGE!
      •  Yipes!! (none)
        They are coming to Illinois.  Their site is under construction.  I will be on the lookout for them and when them come, I will monitor them.  

        Thanks Chris for exposing this.

        If science proves facts that conflict with Buddhist understanding, Buddhism must change accordingly. " - The Dalai Lama

        by LynChi on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:59:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  PoliticsNH not a local blogosphere (none)
    I'm in NH, and I've heard of it but have seldom visited. I took a look after reading this.

    I suppose it's local in the sense of "What going on in the 2008 NH primary?" but it does not provide significant coverage to NH political issues, e.g., school funding and highway tolls, currently hot.

    It sounds like that's different in PA. But the NH version doesn't seem particularly influential to me.

    I've got blisters on my fingers!

    by Elwood Dowd on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:13:03 PM PDT

    •  PA might be different (none)
      The site had become an important part of the local progressive netroots scene, which reflects poorly on us here in PA. Still, even if it isn't influential in NH, doesn't mean it will always be that way. Shining the light on it now will help.
      •  One idea is... (none)
        for each Democratic campaign to cease sending their press releases to PoliticsPA.  I know I always made sure this site was on our media lists because so many people, including me, check it repeatedly every day primarily for press releases.  Ending this practice will really reduce their traffic.
    •  Where in NH are you? (none)
      I hadn't heard of this site before either, but I'm also kind of interested that someone big from my Alma M is involved - Prof. Scala gets invited on NHPR a lot, has never self-identified to my knowledge as partisan, and always tries to come across as a moderate.

      He's also recently got a big politics institute set up at the college, and I wondered who was funding it - fancy building, lots of electrical equipment, their own TV studio to hoste debates - because that stuff doesn't come cheap.

      Interesting if he's been part of the Hegemony all the time, or has been recently coopted.

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:57:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hard to tell (none)
        I'm in the Keene area, BTW.

        The site is managed by James Pindell, who was an intern with a GOP Congressman. But it describes itself as non-partisan, and has a link to Molly Ivins -- said link being outnumbered about 5 to 1 by links to Buchanan, Coulter, etc.

        My guess is Scala is on board to provide non-partisan credibility and actual content, not to promote the agenda.

        I've got blisters on my fingers!

        by Elwood Dowd on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 02:32:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  that makes sense (none)
          if you're ever over here in the manchester area, check out the St. As pol sci institute btw - it's not just a nice place, there's a great photo of Nixon in a hug with the then Senator, which i'd love to get a copy of, in light of all the "Kerry/Edwards" slashy stuff from the wingers.

          "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

          by bellatrys on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:08:41 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Could it be an empty shell (4.00)
      waiting for the right time to activate - like a sleeper cell.  They wait to see if there is any kind of threat in the district/state, and then can gear up in a matter of days, funneling all the republican smear produced elsewhere.

      I consider this threat by these secret sites with flat sounding names to be very serious.  This is their ground floor entry to 2006.

  •  Best line (4.00)
    encouraging all Democratic Congressional Chiefs of Staff to attend a retreat ... on Social Security.

    No retreat on Social Security!

    What you dare to Dream, dare to Analyze

    by MarkInSanFran on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:25:06 PM PDT

  •  Chris is soooo right. (none)
    It's all about shining those UV rays on these folks.  It is the cheapest and best way to kill the mildew.

    I donated to ePluribus Media. Support citizen journalism!

    by dksbook on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:38:11 PM PDT

  •  Listing of WALLY EDGE domains (none)
    Additional listing of WALLY EDGE domains

    PoliticsNV
    PoliticsOR
    PoliticsID
    PoliticsUT
    PoliticsNM
    PoliticsWY

  •  Please recommend up! (none)
    This should be on the front page or at least on the recommended list.... this is just twisted.  
  •  Listing of WALLY EDGE domains (4.00)
    Listing of WALLY EDGE domains

    PoliticsNV
    PoliticsOR
    PoliticsID
    PoliticsUT
    PoliticsNM
    PoliticsWY
    PoliticsCO
    PoliticsAZ
    PoliticsID
    PoliticsMS
    PoliticsGA
    PoliticsTN
    PoliticsDE
    PoliticsMI
    PoliticsMO
    PoliticsSC
    PoliticsTX
    PoliticsKS
    PoliticsIN
    PoliticsKY

    (Note, he doesn't own politicsnc.com. QUICK! Snatch it up! LOL)

    •  So what you're saying is... (none)
      I'm wrong?

      Never trust us jack-booted thugs. You should know that by now! We can never guess off the top of our heads what's happening when we're provided with clues, because we have no experience with this sort of thing, and have no idea how Republicans operate.

    •  PoliticsNC.com is gone already (none)

      Domain Name: politicsnc.com

         Created on..............: 20 Feb 2003 16:56:36
         Expires on..............: 20 Feb 2010 10:00:00

      Registrant Info:
         Old North State Strategies Co.
         502 Brandywine Road
         Chapel Hill, NC 27516
         US

      Hey hey, ho ho, irresponsible corporatism and social intolerance have got to go! Hey hey, ho ho!

      by kfractal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 03:59:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Old North State Strategies (none)
        This is really weird 'cause Thomas Mills, political consultant has bona fides as a supporter of Democratic candidates the length of my arm.  He's well known in his state. especially in Chapel Hill, as a Democratic activist.

        Item:  Thomas Mills is a political consultant with The Campaign Network firm.  He spoke against campaign finance reform at an Orange County, NC debate hosted by the progressive Community Action Network Annual Meeting Sunday, November 7, 2004.

        Item:  Thomas M. Mills (ZIP code 27516 -- the same as Old North Strategies) made a $250 political donation to the Price for Congress Committee on March 1, 2004.  David Price is a Democrat middle-of-the-roader.

        David has been a strong supporter of the pursuit of al Qaeda and the Taliban, and a critic of departures from the 50-year bipartisan foreign policy of the United States, with its emphasis on alliances and multilateral cooperation.  He has worked directly with top Middle East leaders and the non-partisan Center for Middle East Peace to help further negotiations
        . . .and. . .
        He has been widely credited for his efforts to protect critical fire and police department funding and for his vehement opposition to cuts proposed by the Bush Administration.

        Item:  A list of the candidates and issues supported by tis PR firm and their win/loss record from 2002:

        Old North State Strategies Company/
        D - General, Direct Mail
        Robin Britt NC H13                                            Lp
        Sam Davis NC H01                                              Lp
        G. K. Butterfield (in) NC Supreme
        Ct                                                             L
        Hugh Campbell (in) NC Ct of Appeals                            L
        Bob Hunter NC Supreme Ct                                       L
        Ellie Kinnaird NC St Sun                                       W
        Alice Underhill (in) NC St Rep                                 L
        Larry Upchurch NC St Rep                                       L
        Loretta Biggs (in) NC Court of
        Appeals                                                        L
        Raymond Hamrick NC Cleveland Co
        Sheriff                                                        W
        Ann McKown (in) NC Dist Court Judge                            W
        Sarah Seaton (in) NC Dist Court
        Judge                                                          L

        Item:  And Thomas Mills of ONSS made two $500 contributions in support of the Charles Robin Britt (D) campaign for the House of Rep, year unknown.

        So what are we to understand? Mr. Mills is VP of The Campaign Network that claims to be a leading political consultancy for Democratic candidates.  Is this a mole organization dedicated to subverting Democaratic candidates, or a sincere organization dedicated to getting them elected, or does Mr. Mills operate as a true non-partisan equal opportunity political consultant?

        Despite his apparent association with one of a series of right-wing political web sites, I choose to believe either of the last two of three choices above.

        They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

        by Limelite on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 04:56:47 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm not quite sure what you mean (none)
          ANYONE can own a domain name.

          But we know Wally's connections as Chris is pointing out and it's quite suspicious that he tries to get every state as a .com and when he can't get the .com he goes for the .net .

    •  PoliticsNC.net (none)
      is a Wally one:

      Info for 'politicsnc.net':

      Registrant:
      WALLY EDGE
      POLITICSNJ.COM
      409 Washington Street
      PMB 361
      Hoboken, NJ  US
      07030

      Registrar: NameSecure.com
      Domain: POLITICSNC.NET
      Created on 12-03-2001
      Expires on 12-04-2005

      Administrative Contact:
      WALLY EDGE
      Phone: 201-221-8033
      E-mail: wedge@politicsnj.com

      Technical Contact:
      Namesecure Inc.
      Phone: 570-708-8418

      Name Servers:
      DNS1.NAMESECURE.COM            64.62.166.88
      DNS2.NAMESECURE.COM            206.169.98.34

      Hey hey, ho ho, irresponsible corporatism and social intolerance have got to go! Hey hey, ho ho!

      by kfractal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 03:59:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  PoliticsNE (none)
    Wally also owns:
    PoliticsNE
    PoliticsMN

    Guess who owns PoliticsOH.com? Same people that own PoliticsFL.com. Fishy. Jon Kurpis. "IDEAS, INC." in New Jersey. New Jersey. Same place this Wally dude operates.

  •  Poor Ginny... (4.00)
    and any other progressive candidate.  It seems that whenever threatened, the GOPers turn on the slime machine.  I hope that tactic can be turned against them.

    "Disgusted with the decline in civility in the nation?  Where do you think it is coming from?"

    /insert rapid fire flashes of GOPer attack ads, squawking talk conservatives and the Bush bird flip/

    "Vote for the respect and honor you deserve... vote Democratic"

    "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

    by stumpy on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:48:11 PM PDT

  •  PoliticsAr is not taken (4.00)
    PoliticsAr is not taken

    Wally owns:
    PoliticsND
    PoliticsSD
    PoliticsME
    PoliticsMA
    PoliticsRI
    PoliticsMT

    Sad huh? I'm going to try to find if I can find some other "Wally Edge" domains, not necessarily Politics.If they have this money to shell out for this he must have others.

  •  Sheesh. (4.00)
    Reading all this, I can't help but visualize pulling up a floorboard to find massive termite infestation.

    Nothing like a fresh blast of sunshine to brighten up those murky pockets of the internets.

    Thanks for the diary.

    If you don't get involved with politics, politics will eventually get involved with you.

    by big dave on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:51:17 PM PDT

  •  OHIO (none)
    Registrant:
    IDEAS, Inc.

    545 Route 17 South
    Suite 2005
    Ridgewood, New Jersey 07450
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: POLITICSOH.COM
    Created on: 16-Jan-05
    Expires on: 16-Jan-06
    Last Updated on: 29-Jun-05

    Administrative Contact:
    Kurpis, Jon domains@ideas-inc.com
    IDEAS, Inc.
    545 Route 17 South
    Suite 2005
    Ridgewood, New Jersey 07450
    United States
    2016127888
    Technical Contact:
    Kurpis, Jon domains@ideas-inc.com
    IDEAS, Inc.
    545 Route 17 South
    Suite 2005
    Ridgewood, New Jersey 07450
    United States
    2016127888

    Domain servers in listed order:
    PARK19.SECURESERVER.NET
    PARK20.SECURESERVER.NET

    Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK

    Join Sherrod Brown and "Grow Ohio" from the grassroots.

    by ttagaris on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:52:14 PM PDT

  •  Roemer gets around all over the right. (4.00)
    Democrats for Life honor Roemer, refuse to endorse Kerry

    Well, that was not exactly the title of my diary,  but close.  Roemer has his hands in lots of stuff.  This group does not support stem cell research or the morning after pill.  The right wing noise machine goes deeper than we think.  It calls itself anything it wants, even Democrat.

    Image hosted by Photobucket.com

    "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

    by floridagal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:21:20 PM PDT

    •  A Loyal Democrat (none)
      A loyal Democrat would not attack other Democrats for their beliefs.  Floridagal, weren't you upset because fellow Democrats became critical of Scott Maddox.

      I respect your views on the abortion issue.  Can you respect mine?

  •  Missing a step (none)
    Quite willing to believe this -- but at least one critical step in the logic is missing.

    ...of the Publius Institute, which is itself apparently a creation of the Claremont Institute...

    Show us the support for this statement.

  •  A note about Wally's domains (none)
    Not all of Wally's domains are active. Maybe he/they are working on a site for them, or maybe they're simply holding them so no one else can get them, i.e. a liberal group.
  •  Claremont Institute (none)
    is a home-away-from-home for Straussians in particular. Anything associated with Claremont is definitely worthy of caution.

    The spring is pure, but foul it once with mud and you nevermore will find it fit to drink. --Aeschylus

    by Alien Abductee on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:36:42 PM PDT

  •  Why don't we register our own Domain names? (4.00)
    Couldn't we register PoliticsinPA.com or PAPolitics.com for every state? Then we could just use this strategy ourselves. Heck, we wouldn't even have to come up with new content it could just link to a popular progressive blog in that state or a list of popular progressive blogs in each state.

    If you are really worried about this threat, then this is how to neutralize it.

    If someone wants to start this project, I'll help. Just post something in kos wiki and start a new project diary to get the ball rolling.

  •  With the flick of a flashlight... (none)
    another fucking cockroach is found!

    Stomp that fucker!

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 02:00:55 PM PDT

  •  Interesting twist (none)
    If you go to poliiticspa.org and politicspa.net, you get redirected to Keystonepolitics.
  •  Like roaches, they lay eggs everywhere. (none)
    Even on liberal blogs.

    Charles

  •  I frequent a great local blog (none)
    OP

    Recently I've noticed a few wingers dropping by with casual comments that could easily be mistaken for sincere interest. Faint signals of viral invasion?

  •  Claremont trivia (none)
    A major annual event at Claremont McKenna College is a "holiday" known as Andy Chokka Day -- costume parties, inter-dormitory athletic contests, bong-water water balloon fights, etc.  

    School legend has it (I never was able to determine if this was actually true) that Andy Chokka was an alum who'd lost his job at the State Department due to a sex scandal -- he'd apparently been caught giving his boss a blowjob in the elevator. The kicker is, Andy wasn't actually gay -- just that there was no limit to what he would do for career advancement. This was held up proudly as the quintessential CMC ethos.

    Also, every CMC student receives, included free as part of their tuition, a daily subscription to the Wall Street Journal, which they're expected to read cover to cover each morning. It's used as a course text in all the Econ and PoliSci classes, any article or editorial may be referenced in any day's lectures.

    The other big costume party event on campus is Pimp & Whore Night.

    •  Oh, man... (none)
      ...that's not education, that's indoctrination.

      Stalin and Mao would be proud.

    •  Andy Choka, perhaps (none)
      School legend has it (I never was able to determine if this was actually true) that Andy Chokka was an alum who'd lost his job at the State Department due to a sex scandal -- he'd apparently been caught giving his boss a blowjob in the elevator. The kicker is, Andy wasn't actually gay -- just that there was no limit to what he would do for career advancement. This was held up proudly as the quintessential CMC ethos.

      It could be this Andy Choka. (Search for the name, spelled 'Choka', it's down a ways). If so, the story's a little off kilter: Andy Choka was a guy who was solicited BY a White House staffer, LBJ's top advisor, in the basement of a YMCA. Mr. Choka was a 60-year-old immigrant from Hungary who only had sex with men because of his 'age and lack of funds'. Presumably the staffer was paying for it.

      Of course, they wouldn't necessarily know the real story at Claremont... that whole 'truth' thing is so passé.

      -fred

    •  CMC <> Claremont Institute (none)
      Claremont McKenna College (formerly Claremont Men's College), which is also a very conservative institution (with a very Straussian polisci department), is not the same thing as the Claremont Institute. Just keepin' the players straight.

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      by GreenSooner on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:42:53 PM PDT

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    •  People come out okay though (none)
      I know a real liberal who graduated from there.

      My sister went to Scripps but ran on the Claremont-McKenna, Harvey Mudd, Scripps cross-country team.  Her boyfriend was also Democratic-leaning.  I think that he was a Literature major though.

  •  Little ricky santorum (none)
    Here's a great website devoted to the er, umm outing of little ricky"

    http://www.santorumexposed.com

    Everybody ought to read it and contribute early and often.

  •  They are here too (none)
    They call themselves Democrats for Life.  They have even convinced some real democrats to support their anti women aggenda.

    Tired of the corporate DLC suck ups?WE'VE GOT DEANS BACK

    by TeresaInPa on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:18:26 PM PDT

  •  BUSH SQUELCHED ABRAHAM INVESTIGATION IN 2002!!! (none)
    From Sunday's Los Angeles Times...
    NOT REVEALED UNTIL NOW, IN 2002, BUSH DEMOTED THE CHIEF FEDERAL PROSECUTOR INVESTIGATING REBPULICAN DONOR-LOBBYIST JACK ABRAHAM'S ACTIVITIES IN GUAM.  THE PROSECUTOR WAS DEMOTED ONE DAY AFTER ISSUING A GRAND JURY SUPOENA.

    Sorry, but I don't have a direct link.  The front section article is entitled "Inquiry Into Lobbyist Sputters After Demotion," by Walter F. Roche Jr.
    http://www.latimes.com

    Excerpts:
    "A U.S. grand jury in Guam opened an investigation into controversial (Republican) lobbyist Jack Abramoff more than two years ago, but President Bush removed the supervising federal prosecutor and the inquiry ended soon after.  The PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED Guam inquiry is separate from a federal grand jury in Washington that is investigating allegations that Abramoff bilked Indian tribes out of millions of dollars."

    The Guam grand jury issued a subpoena on the Abramoff matter on Nov. 18, 2002.  ON THE NEXT DAY the chief prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Frederick A. Black, was demoted.  Black had held the position for more than a decade.  After the subpoena was issued, and Black demoted, THE GRAND JURY TOOK NO FURTHER ACTION.  In May of 2003 he was replaced with Leonardo Rapadas.  Rapadas was recommended for the position by the Guam Republican Party.  Who did the party forward their recommendation to in the White House?  Yep, you guessed it....Karl "Demon Seed" Rove.  

    For anyone doubting how far the Bush White House may go to thwart Fitzgerald's investigation, there's no need to debate or hypothesize.  We have a real-world example right here of how they squelched a potentially embarrassing investigation: THEY DUMPED THE PROSECUTOR.  

  •  So (none)
    does your list of recommended actions:

    "Within the netroots, we can do this as follows:

        * If you have a blog, link to this article, and write about it.
        * If you are linked on their blogroll, ask them to remove you.
        * If you link Politics PA, remove that link now, and explain why.
        * If you do not have a blog, send an email linking this story to progressive friends you know in Pennsylvania who read, or might read, Politics PA.
        * If you live in Pennsylvania, send this article to your elected Democratic officials and candidates and urge them to immediately end all contact with Politics PA."

    apply to PoliticsNJ as well?

  •  Conservative Does Not (Just) Mean GOP (4.00)
    One of the real morals of this story is that the so-called Republican noise machine is really a conservative noise machine, and it extends well beyond the GOP.

    Roemer is a Democrat, as were those Mercatus attendees.  

    Corporate interests in this country well understand that there's no reason to settle for control of a single party when you can control two.  Progressives are still in a subsidiary position in the Democratic Party, and will continue to be, especially if progressive Democrats refuse to see that, absent a battle over ideology, the Democrats will remain very corporate friendly, even if they do not enitirely embrace jokers like Roemer.

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    by GreenSooner on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:53:02 PM PDT

  •  www.politicswa.com (none)
    ...is "under construction and coming soon."  Did they get a domain name for every state?  Looks like it.  I'll keep an eye on it from WA for sure!

    "Ninety-nine miles of solid-gold track, lay on the whistle and don't look back..."

    by InquisitiveRaven on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 06:19:54 PM PDT

  •  Trolls (none)
    I post a lot on TwinCitiesIndymedia (at least I did before it was sabotaged by a right-wing hacker) and it is frequented by right-wing trolls.  The trolls only post during work-week hours. I wonder now if it isn't someone working for the republicans who is paid to make Bush-policy comments on this site.

    I also get a lot of right-wing comments in my photo galleries, but most of those comments are too dumb to be from someone who is paid to present policy.

    See for yourselves:

    http://www.pbase.com/kayakbiker/bush_won

  •  Domain names (as much as I can figure) (none)
    There are services that can search for domain names by owner; they cost money though. Not free, as far as I can tell. If it is free please let me know, that can be incredibly useful.

    PoliticsAK.com
    PoliticsAZ.com
    PoliticsCA.com
    PoliticsCO.com
    PoliticsID.com
    PoliticsMS.com
    PoliticsGA.com
    PoliticsTN.com
    PoliticsDE.com
    PoliticsMI.com
    PoliticsMO.com
    PoliticsSC.com
    PoliticsTX.com
    PoliticsKS.com
    PoliticsIN.com
    PoliticsKY.com
    PoliticsHI.com
    PoliticsIL.com
    PoliticsMN.com
    PoliticsNC.net
    PoliticsND.com
    PoliticsSD.com
    PoliticsME.com
    PoliticsMA.com
    PoliticsRI.com
    PoliticsMT.com
    PoliticsNE.com
    PoliticsNJ.com
    PoliticsNV.com
    PoliticsID.com
    PoliticsUT.com
    PoliticsNM.com
    PoliticsWY.com
    PoliticsNY.com
    PoliticsOR.com
    PoliticsUS.com
    PoliticsVT.com
    PoliticsWA.com

  •  Former Hoboken Resident (none)
    409 Washington Street would be on 4th and Washington, which is a busy commercial street of 5-story buildings. Anyone living there now able to get a photo of what one might find were they to visit in person? Or is it just an apartment building? Seems odd that there is an address AND an anonymous box. I'm racking my brain, but all I can recall is that I vaguely remember that spot as housing either a wine store, a chotchkes store or a restaurant. Curiouser, and curiouser.
    •  I would assume it's a mailbox place. (none)
      As the address for Jeff Gannon's organizations turned out to be. Not that that should be surprising. These websites are a virtual business, and most such enterprises rent mailboxes for their address.

      Google "409 Washington Street" and Hoboken, and you'll see several other businesses using the same address format, with different PMB numbers.

  •  Claremont is way red (none)
    There's definitely no doubt about the Claremont Institute.  Bill Bennett (Right Wing talk show host, former Sec'y of Education and degenerate gambler) is always talking about them.  In fact, this last week he's been running one of their big programs.
    And I don't even want to hear that we should participate in these groups to "present our views in the marketplace of ideas". Bullshit.  
    The real scientists had it right when they refused to show up at the Kansas kangaroo court on evolution. And no self-respecting (there's the problem!) Dem should be caught dead at one of these events.  
  •  Chris, thanks for posting this. (none)
    My one question though.  Why aren't WE doing this.  We can't really fault the Republicans for trying to do this.  It's our fault for not doing it, as well.

    And how quickly and easily does the funding for something like this come about?  This isn't some guy in his slippers doing it from his bedroom.  Somebody must have written a substantial check with this in mind.  People in suits must have sat around a table, thinking of things, like this, to do.

    Why don't we have a table?  With suits around it?  With people writing checks?

  •  Claremont Institute equals Leo Straussians (none)
    Claremont is one of the chief sites for the takeover of both politics and religion in this country by a hard right movement supporting elites and has no problems with misleading dirty tricks - in fact people associated with it have seemed to specialize in it.

    From the dKosopedia

    "Strauss was neither a liberal nor a democrat... Perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical (in Strauss's view) because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them. ... The Weimar Republic (in Germany) was his model of liberal democracy for which he had huge contempt," added Drury. Liberalism in Weimar, in Strauss's view, led ultimately to the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.

    According to Drury, Strauss, like Plato, taught that within societies, "some are fit to lead, and others to be led". But, unlike Plato, who believed that leaders had to be people with such high moral standards that they could resist the temptations of power, Strauss thought that "those who are fit to rule are those who realise there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior".

    For Strauss, "religion is the glue that holds society together", said Drury, who added that Irving Kristol, among other neo-conservatives, has argued that separating church and state was the biggest mistake made by the founders of the U.S. republic.

    "Secular society in their view is the worst possible thing", because it leads to individualism, liberalism and relativism, precisely those traits that might encourage dissent, which in turn could dangerously weaken society's ability to cope with external threats. "You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty," according to Drury. [1]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_Institute

    http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Leo_Strauss

  •  Bigger problem (none)
    The bigger problem with local blogs is that they aren't support by the party on any level, also they tend to be based in big cities.

    I mean I had a conversation with a few people within the Lehigh Valley Democratic Coalition, and the response about starting a blog to promote progressive ideals was met with blank stares. Why does an area that votes Democratic on a national level not have an open voice into the blogosphere? (on a local level, the local party does everything in it's power to make sure their own canidate is a loser on election day)

    The way to combat conservatives taking over an area is to shine light on their lies and then combat them with the truth.

    •  A-yep (none)
      By the way:

      The PoliticsXX astroturfing aside, the biggest blog growth is on the left side of the blogosphere.

      As recently as two years ago, righty blogs had a 2-to-1 readership advantage over lefty blogs.  That advantage disappeared about a year and a half ago, and now lefty blogs have a 2-to-1 readership advantage over righty blogs.  

      What's more, most of that lefty advantage is tied up in activist community blogs like DailyKos, whereas most righty blogs don't allow comments, much less community.

      •  Yeah, but (none)
        This is the right's response to the current left dominance of the political blogosphere. The right takes the left's successes and puts money into building even better versions of that success.

        In the 60s, the Democrats were better at organizing than the Republicans. The Republicans got down to work and devoted money and effort to it and are now blowing the Democrats out of the water.

        This is an initial effort to do the same thing in the blogosphere.

  •  vitally important info, Chris (none)
    For some time now, I've been watching and wondering how the RW reaction to the blogosphere would manifest.  You have uncovered a hornet's nest.  The first one, but certainly not the last.

    I think we should look for an MSM outlet for this info, disseminate it as widely as possible, "brand" these sites as deceptive overtures in psy ops --echo chambers, noise machines, dirty tricks centers-- before most of them are activated for '06.

    You've given us some important lead time. While we've got the advantage, shouldn't we try to cut them off at the pass?  I mean, outside as well as within the blogosphere??

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