I am an occasional visitor to the Zogby forums. I used to post there often until it became overrun with right wing nutjobs. Dealmaker (DM for short) is your typical Republican Bushlover. His posts are infuriating and consistent in their spin and lies and avoidance of reality. He was always prepared with the latest GOP crap.
Tonight he posted a "Stop Bashing Bush and Do Something" thread wherein he listed a few charities to give to. When one poster criticized Bush, DM went off on him.
Read below to see the exchange. His lame excuses show just where this aprty is at today.
DM
You fucking ingrate jackass. You are not an American.
You defend this administration at every turn, regardless of what they do. You KNOW the responsibility was his. FEMA and Homeland Security were woefully inadequate, it is HIS fault. He appointed Chertoff, who had no business being appointed to that job. He is the fucking PRESIDENT of the most powerful country in the world and you make it sound like he is only one of the guys on the assembly line who can't do his job unless the guy in front of him does his. I say bullshit. He picks up the phone and planes fly, simple as that. That's what being PRESIDENT means. If this were Kerry, what would you be screaming right now? You would be hoarse with anger and you know it. As would I. I am an American first and foremost and when government fails it is time to change it and rail against it. I would rail against my own party, and I have, because I have a heart, which automatically excludes me from being a modern-day Republican.
This is his "Homeland Security" that he has been touting, spending billions of dollars on? The 9-11 chant you have been screaming about rings so hollow now. Obviously, we are worse off thanks to you and everyone who voted for this incompetent administration.
6 days. 6 fucking days Dealmaker. And you stand there and tell us he did everything he could do, and not to criticize him, that the thing to do now is give. I have given, more than I can afford and I am pissed as hell and embarassed for this country, once again. I am so sick of spoon-fed, lily white soulless pukes like you who only care about themselves and your damned power.
This administration is an embarassment.
So, you got some Republican emails asking you to give to charities? Great! Was it Pat Robertson's charity by any chance?
Where is the Culture of Life? Oh ya the elections over, you can put that little gem back in the closet and pull it out later when you really need it.
Did you also get the email that the GOP sent out yesterday telling all its members to support the repeal of the death tax on Tuesday? Important GOP business. Top of their fucking list.
You support it too I bet. Do you have any idea what the repeal of the death tax will do to charitable giving. It will cripple charities. Charities like the ones that are right now, giving to those desperate people in need.
But that is what you and Bushco want isn't it? The "ownership" society, where people can take care of themselves. Well, we got a glimpse of that this week. Doesn't work too well does it.
Party before country DM. It's disgusting.
Just think, you can tell your grandkids, assuming you ever procreate (just weigh the tax advantages, it may work out in your favor), they'll ask you what it was like to live under the rule of the worst president in history. And you can smile at them and tell them, "Hey, he did the best he could do", and then cry your damn eyes out for being such a fool.
Dealmaker
Senior Member Date Posted: Sep/03/2005 1:24 AM
Libriarianman, So you are disgusted and fed up. Let me ask you a simple question. During the 8 years of Clinton's administration when there were hurricanes and tornados and earthquakes and other natural disasters, how were things handled by comparison to the way they are being handled now? Was the response time any quicker? Did aid flow any faster?
Did it ever occur to you that in addition to sending out emails on taxes, that Republicans and presumably Democrats as well send out emails on different subjects all the time? Did it ever occur to you that there was a typhoon that hit Taiwan and China or that there were major weather related problems in Europe this summer as well. Do you have any idea how many women have been raped in Darfur?
We don't live in an isolated part of the world where everything else revolves around us and nothing else matters and we have to stop and put everything else on hold and deal with a natural disaster. Life goes on. I do not mean to sound callous, I am not, but I do what I can do to help people throughout the year and I do so quietly and I don't expect any credit for it.
I disagree with you on charities. This country's economy would be better off and the government would have more cash if there were a simple flat tax with no deductions and no offsets. Charities would still receive their moneys because people who give do so because it is the right thing to do, the fact that we get a tax benefit for it is a gift from the government, and if it weren't there we would still give. We can't eat our money, so we might as well use it and enjoy it and share it with those that are less fortunate as many of us do and we don't need a national disaster to remind us that we should be giving.
You want to complain about photo ops. Well here is one for you. I have always hated those photo ops for feeding homeless people etc. around Thanksgiving and Christmas. Do you really think that those homeless people for whatever reason they are homeless wait to be fed out of any given year only twice a year at Thanksgiving and Christmas?. What about the point's in-between as well as before and after? People need to eat every day, not twice a year.
When was the last time you gave to a food bank? or volunteered your time?, or donated blood? When was the last time you helped somebody less fortunate than you and tried to make thier life easier? something as simple as speaking to them, smiling and maybe helping them across the street.
Librarianman
Senior Member Date Posted: Sep/03/2005
Typical DM
Typical avoidance of reality.
A lot of women were raped in Darfur, yes. Two points: 1.Bush repsonded to that crisis slower than he did this one. 2. This ain't Darfur. This is America. A once great nation. But thanks to you and anyone else who was greedy, blind and dumb enough to vote this administration in again, we are now, truly, "The once-great nation of the United States of America".
6 days DM. You can't spin that, or blame that on ANYONE except GWB.
You bring up Christmas and Thanksgiving photo ops? Lol. Can you say "lame response"?. This is worse that the Mission Accomplished fiasco. Worse than the "There's WMD's somewhere around here joke". Worse than the "president who shirked his duty and let someone else die in his place prancing around in a flightsuit like he's Tom Cruise" photo op.
Situation: People are dying. We are late in responding. They need help NOW.
GOP answer: Hey! Let's have a staged photo op with Coast Guard helicopters that should BE IN THE FUCKING AIR! Ya what a great idea.
This puts that whole My Pet Goat thing into perspective now doesn't it? George W Bush: Slow to respond to needs of the nation.
The GOP certainly responded to one dead white woman in a hurry didn't they? Hoo boy did they jump on that. But 20,000 poor blacks? They can take care of themselves.
If I remember correctly, the criticism of Clinton during the hurricanes was that the money wasn't coming in fast enough to settle insurance claims. HARDLY a comparison and frankly reveals your true loyalties. Party before country DM. Put it on your shirt, tatoo it on your balding head. The American public knew about the people in the Superdome all week. Chertoff was quoted yesterday saying he wasn't aware of people in the Superdome needing food and water. Bush was playing a guitar and eating cake on a runway. Condi was watching Spamalot and buying shoes. Spin it. Go ahead. Try. Your party is out of touch with reality, it is out of touch with America, and soon it will be out of touch with everything.
Furthermore, how dare you question my charity. I give until it hurts, including blood on a regular basis. It's what Democrats do best. Republicans on the other hand, TAKE. They take away and they take for themselves.
You are honestly defending the fact that Frist is calling for a vote on the repeal of the Estate tax when this nation is in a serious crisis? Can't you even delay your greed by a week?
This administration is coming apart at the seams. America has seen enough. This administration is about greed, money and the looting of America.
If this were the French Revolution DM, your and Chimpy Mcflightsuits sneering-faced heads would be up on a pike, paraded through the streets.