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Laura Gross from DFA weighs in on Kos/Dean story

Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:50:02 AM PDT

(From the diaries. Note that this isn't an official statement, but a comments in this BFA thread. In that comments, which you can see below, Laura Gross (who spoke to the WSJ reporter) states that the WSJ invented the quote attributed to a senior Dean official. This is critical -- journalists aren't supposed to run accusations of this sort without corroboration. Gross did not provide that corroboration. As such, the piece does not meet minimum journalistic standards and should be retracted -- kos.)

I found this in the comments section of Blog for America, worth reprinting in its entirety here:

"I know many of you have questions so I wanted to give you the full story. I am sorry I have not responded sooner, I have been traveling all day with Gov. Dean and I'm in St. Louis now. Thank you for your messages and e-mails . . . here's the full story:

So I got a call Thursday from the Jeanne Cummings, The Wall Street Journal reporter who covered the Dean campaign. By all accounts, she did a fine job -- covered all aspects of the campaign, even met the Web team and wrote a long story on their work. She was calling, she said, on behalf of some of her paper's reporters in Boston who were looking into a story about the campaign and the blogs.

She said she thought she knew what was going on, and we talked "on background" so she could "just clear things up once and for all" -- that is, not for attribution. By the end of the conversation she had confirmed what she thought -- that there was no news, that this was what she called a "dead story" -- and said that she didn't think there would be any article at all, much less one that mentioned Dean. She said that if for some reason she needed a quote she'd call me back.

Next thing I know there appears in the WSJ an article so sloppy and so inaccurate that I spent the morning trying to track Jeanne down to find out what happened. She called me back at 10:30 a.m. -- and actually apologized for the article (written by two colleagues). She said that she wouldn't work with those reporters in the same capacity again, would only give them on-the-record quotes and assured me that she had notified her editors.

Jeanne's colleagues committed a journalistic no-no: they took her background conversation with me and made up a quote from "a Dean spokeswoman". Their fake quote had this spokeswoman apparently admitting that the bloggers were paid for promoting the campaign. They completely mischaracterized our conversation -- and Jeanne was rightly upset about it. I was, and am, too.

Since a distorted version of the conversation has been put in print, I'll tell you what was told to Jeanne when she asked what the story was with the campaign and these bloggers.

I said that, as many media outlets noted at the time and a giant disclaimer on their blog said, these guys were hired as technical consultants. Specifically, they helped the Web team pick a technology platform for the blog (Movable Type) and helped manage Internet advertising (banner ads, Google ads, etc.). They weren't paid to write content -- either for the campaign or on their own blogs. And just in case there was any ambiguity, the campaign made sure they had a notice saying "I am a paid consultant for Howard Dean" right smack on the front of their personal blogs.

The only people the campaign paid to write blog posts were full-time staff at headquarters who wrote the content here on Blog for America. They and the rest of the staff at headquarters were people who quit their jobs and upended their lives to work 100 hours a week for a campaign they believed in -- and frankly, compared to "normal" jobs, the campaign barely even paid them. Had the campaign been throwing around cash to people just to write nice things on blogs, there would have been a mutiny in Burlington.

The point was also made that, besides being not true, this kind of accusation is in fact the exact opposite of the truth. Hundreds of thousands of people gave their time, money and hearts to the Dean campaign; all they wanted in exchange was their country back. They organized in their communities and they organized online, and many of them blogged every minute of it.

Some people even made the trip to headquarters -- on their own dime. They stuffed envelopes by day and slept in motels or on someone's couch by night -- and they blogged that too. To suggest that there was some network of paid advocates, as some of the more irresponsible outlets have done, disrespects one of the best things to happen to our democracy in a generation.

Jeanne's colleagues not only misrepresented my conversation with her, they also made a sloppy and completely ridiculous analogy to the Armstrong Williams scandal -- an analogy that has been snapped up and repeated ad nauseum by both lazy journalists and the right-wing media machine.

Here's the deal: the campaign paid these guys with private funds to do work that did not include writing content or otherwise talking/writing about the campaign -- and widely disclosed the relationship at the time anyway, just in case. The Bush administration used taxpayer dollars to pay Williams to lace his commentary with praise for a certain policy -- and both the administration and Williams covered it up. Also, it appears that what they have done is illegal.

No journalist with any integrity would be writing about these things in the same story.

I don't think I've ever met Markos, and I've met Jerome, but only briefly -- if the blogs or the media want to debate with them or about them, they can go right ahead. But they can leave us out of it. Because when it comes to Howard Dean and his presidential campaign, this is exactly what the Wall Street Journal's Jeanne Cummings called it as we hung up the phone: a dead story."

Add this to the list of "The WSJ and Novak are completely full of shit" stories.

Update by Kos: Make sure the WSJ knows about this as well:

James Bandler
Co-author of the piece
james.bandler@wsj.com

Bill Bulkeley
Co-author of the piece
Bill.Bulkeley@wsj.com

Jeanne Cummings (thank her)
Co-author of the piece
jeanne.cummings@wsj.com

Melinda Beck
Marketplace editor, where the piece ran
melinda.beck@wsj.com

Bill Grueskin
Managing Editor
b.grueskin@wsj.com

Jamie Heller
Deputy Managing Editor
j.heller@wsj.com

Terri Cullen
Assistant Managing Editor
t.cullen@wsj.com

Dave Pettit
Deputy Managing Editor
dave.pettit@wsj.com

Jason Fry
Assistant Managing Editor
j.fry@wsj.com
The WSJ needs to admit they wrote a shitty story and retract it. I want nothing less.
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  •  Please, someone front page this diary! n/t (none / 1)

    OWOWFO (Old White Ohio Woman for Obama) -7.00, -5.38 Support ePluribus Media

    by Jesus was a Liberal on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 09:56:52 AM PDT

  •  journalists without integrity.... (4.00 / 7)

    Jeanne's colleagues not only misrepresented my conversation with her, they also made a sloppy and completely ridiculous analogy to the Armstrong Williams scandal -- an analogy that has been snapped up and repeated ad nauseum by both lazy journalists and the right-wing media machine...No journalist with any integrity would be writing about these things in the same story.

    It is clear that a partisan agenda motivated these WSJ reporters to write a junk story to distract from the Armstrong Williams scandal. These hacks knew the alleged blog scandal would be discussed breathlessly in the right-wing echo chamber.

    When are we going to see some high-profile people fired at the WSJ like we saw at CBS? We must demand an investigation into why these reporters misrepresented the facts.

    "If you are what you say you are...a superstar...then have no fear, the camera's here." lupe fiasco

    by pacific city on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 09:58:17 AM PDT

  •  aeiou (4.00 / 6)

    Here's the deal: the campaign paid these guys with private funds to do work that did not include writing content or otherwise talking/writing about the campaign -- and widely disclosed the relationship at the time anyway, just in case. The Bush administration used taxpayer dollars to pay Williams to lace his commentary with praise for a certain policy -- and both the administration and Williams covered it up. Also, it appears that what they have done is illegal.

    To me, that's the issue in a nutshell. Everything else is in the realm of journalistic ethics, but it shouldn't even be that. Neither bloggers or pundits have to hold themselves to journalistic standards. If they did, then Ann Coulter, et al would never be allowed to speak publicly again.

    dink

    Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

    by MrHinkyDink on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:09:03 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for posting this (none / 0)

    This clears up a lot of things.  Those WSJ reporters obviously had an agenda to push if they resorted to making up quotes.

    McCain: Less jobs, more war.

    by Unstable Isotope on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:09:21 AM PDT

  •  Spare me Jeanne's tears... (3.66 / 9)

    Great post, but the Jeanne wanted to really address and clear things up, she'd do herself in some type of public fashion....

    Tell her to come on here and put up a post or, at the least, have you post a message from her that she dicates...

    Until then, she is part of the problem, not the solution...And tell her I said so..

    Wars not make one great. - Yoda

    by Volvo Liberal on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:11:17 AM PDT

  •  Can I please hit the rec button six times... n/t (none / 0)

  •  Ship of fools (3.66 / 3)

    In a parallel world of reason and good sense, they'd be floating in the doldrums, sucking lemons. But in this cultural climate, there's plenty of hot flatulence to fill their sails, propelling them hither and yon over their Sea of Lies, and Truth is left rowing a slow boat.

    Apologies for the shameless metaphor mongering. I just had this tantalizing image of Robert Novak and the rest of that pathetic lot, blindfolded, walking single file down the plank and dropping into a black sea.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:13:03 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for posting this, but one question. (none / 1)

    This might be a silly question, but I assume these are your words, and not Ms. Gross's?

    Add this to the list of "The WSJ and Novak are completely full of shit" stories.  

    Novak and the WSJ must be terrified of Dean getting the DNC chair position.  My question is, why?

    In other words, where do her words end and yours begin?

    You should put her words in one of the grey quote boxes.

    INSTRUCTIONS HERE.

  •  Will there... (3.71 / 7)

    Will there be an investigation?

    Will there be outrage of CBS memogate proportions? ...

    WSJ bias EXPOSED!  Bill O'Reilly and Hugh Hewitt...we all knew that they were right wing media hacks, but now...this is PROOF that they are 'rather biased.'

    Who will get fired?  

    Making up quotes is a no-no!

    (that was all half-facetious)

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:23:24 AM PDT

    •  For what it's worth (none / 0)

      I've been calling it the Wall Street Urinal since this started.
      •  Wall Street Urinal, lol. (none / 0)

        In the rush to be "fair and balanced," the WSJ is guilty of false equivalence and ignored their duty to be "factual and accturate."

        Urinal, indeed.

        "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

        by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:47:12 AM PDT

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        •  WSJ (none / 1)

          thought they were going to be fair and balanced by presenting two sides of what they want to call the same issue. It's probably because some idiots in mgmt there are having one of those "oh, shit" moments, as they realize they could be the next "journalist(s)" to be outed for taking kickbacks for coverage. As a journalist, I'm sick to death of the conflicts that occur on a daily basis in newsrooms around this country and I hope and pray that at least a few will see the light of day. Of course, the world already hates journalists, so it probably won't have an effect on the bagmen (Bush admin).
        •  this reminds me (none / 0)

          of a question my journalism ethics professor would ask of the class: "Is it better to be fair and balanced in stories, or accurate and factual?"
          At first, before we were schooled in ethics (hahaha), we would say "Accurate and factual, of course." Then we were introduced to the SPJ ethics code, which pretty much said a reporter should seek balance in a story so as not to cause undue harm to one side. Meaning that accuracy takes a backseat to balance.
          •  Well, I suppose you've encapsulated (none / 0)

            what's wrong with journalism.

            "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

            by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:21:38 AM PDT

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          •  I equate this with the (none / 0)

            'give everybody an A so the poor dears don't get their self-esteem destroyed' school of teaching.

            Nobody has any self-esteem after that, and nobody learns anything either.

            Journalism shouldn't be a popularity contest. Should there be balance? Sure -- but not at the expense of the truth or accuracy. If one side is lying, and the journalist knows it and can prove it, IMHO it's their responsibility to point that out.

          •  Fair, balanced, accurate, factual? (none / 0)

            I don't any of these things are part of modern journalism. In fact, I never remember hearing of this SPJ ethics code when I was in J-school at University of Texas. Granted, that was nearly 25 years ago but....

            All of this make me glad that I did drop out of J-school in my last class and got that BA in government instead. At least it was more honest for me, a downright Democratic partisan.

          •  Fact vs Truth (none / 0)

            This is reminds me of a conversation between Ted Koppel and John Stewart back in September in which Koppel discussed the difference between reporting fact and reporting truth. Koppel's staunchly on the side of "fact," which equates to lies of omission.

            Here's  what I wrote about it at the time.

    •  Call this story "Journalgate" (none / 1)

      It's about framing baby! heh.
    •  Don't worry (none / 0)

      I'm SURE we'll see a retraction in the WSJ tomorrow. </snark>

      If you can't support the veterans you have, don't make any new ones.

      by slackjawedlackey on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:34:26 AM PDT

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    •  focus on the WSJ (none / 0)

      Apparently the WSJ reporters lied about what the Dean spokeswoman (Laura Gross) said. Do their editors know this? Did Jeanne Cummings mis-represent what Laura Gross said to William Bulkeley and James Bandler?

      At first this seemed like a stupid quote from an idiot blown up into a scandal. Now we learn that WSJ account was denied in detail by a Dean spokeswoman but the WSJ took it upon itself lie about that denial.

      Zephyr Teachout is no longer relevant, we need to know how far up the WSJ editorial chain this lie went and how much the WSJ has broken it's own journalistic ethics.

  •  Answer (4.00 / 3)

    to your question
    Novak and the WSJ must be terrified of Dean getting the DNC chair position.  My question is, why?

    is easier than you think - Dean isn't one of them.  

    Sure, he's a pol.  Upper middle class upbringing.  Went to Yale.  Probably never has to work another day in his life, if he didn't want to.  But he's not "in the club", and he doesn't seem to want to be.  The beltway types and SCLM sycophants believe that THEY are the in-the-know power brokers, and know whats best for everyone else because... well, duh, because they're the in-the-know power brokers, ya know?

    Dean shatters their illusions of grandure, as do critical bloggers who not so nicely point out that they are whores AND often have a wider readership than they do.  Sticks in their craw.

    Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
    We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
    Oh, also when they eat brains.

    by Ugluks Flea on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:36:09 AM PDT

    •  Don't forget (none / 1)

      Dean and the bloggers have the potential to organize and energize a base to rival the GOP.  They pose a fundraising threat with the small donors. And they creating an informed base who can actively change the landscape for the Democratic party, working locally in all 50 states to get Democrats elected.  
      •  It's not necessarily (none / 0)

        electoral power the SLCM is thinking of when they attack Dean specifically and progressives/dems generally, although that is certainly the case in some quarters (ahem Fox News & WSJ cough cough).

        IMO it's more about their clique, their ain't-we-cool-cause-we're-on-teevee (or want to be) whore clique, that cares more about money and cocktail parties and knowing the same "powerful" people and being oh-so-unappreciated by the rabble they produce factesque news for.

        Dean and bloggers are a new (dare I say it? feel free to cringe) paradigm, and like any new thing that challenges the established ways, the establishment's gonna be agin' it.

        Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
        We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
        Oh, also when they eat brains.

        by Ugluks Flea on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:20:25 AM PDT

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  •  I sent the link (none / 0)

    to Grueskin. I didn't just demand a retraction, I demanded disciplinary action and a prominent apology to you and Jerome.

    Yeah....that'll happen.

  •  Something missing kos (none / 0)

    How about a refutation of Zephyr Teachout?  I don't think it is quite as clear as that.

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:42:02 AM PDT

    •  Zephyr waiting a week... (none / 1)

      that's just cowardly and shows a complete lack of integrity IMHO.

      "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

      by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:44:12 AM PDT

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      •  But Dean Staff (none / 0)

        need to say she is lying.

        Or is she telling the truth about the Dean side of the equation?

        Everybody dies alone.

        by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:59:06 AM PDT

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        •  That's why I said (none / 0)

          to do the chronology on the draftclark movement, the Trippi "freak out" phone call and the signing of the contract.

          If it doesn't line up, then this is bullshit.

          If it does line up, perhaps they did want to prevent a defection to Clark.  

          Either way, Markos is innocent of any wrongdoing.

          •  They did want to prevent that (none / 1)

            That is different from "buying" his voice. They did not want kos organizing for Clark.  That is different from "buying" his opinion.

            kos was rah rah Dean long before the consultancy.

            Everybody dies alone.

            by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 12:25:54 PM PDT

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            •  Of course it's different (none / 0)

              The question is: did they bribe Jerome and Markos without their knowledge?

              Did they pay them inflated salaries as an enticement?

              Are they willing to categorically deny that they did this.

              Because, for me, ZT is not recanting on that part of her story.

              As for Markos...why was we toying around with Clark in the first place?  And why did he suddenly drop the effort?  If it was because he was hired by Dean, then...well...you can see how some Clark people might feel about that.

              As for me, I was a Kerry guy after Biden decided not to run.  So, I don't care.  But you are asking ZT to recant like a maddog.  

              She has recanted insofar as she implied Markos knowingly did anything wrong.  But she hasn't recanted that they hired him "in part" to keep him on the reservation.

              •  Bribe Without their knowledge? (none / 0)

                You realize that's impossible don't you?

                Everybody dies alone.

                by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM PDT

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                •  Actually I just listened to Trippi (none / 0)

                  on that tape.

                  And he admits that he didn't want to hire Markos at first because it would undermine his perceived credibility.

                  Then when Markos want over to Clark and came back to Dean, he basically admitted that he wanter to "lock him in" and prevent him from working for Kerry or someone else.

                  It's pretty clear that Trippi changed his calculus.  

                  Suddenly, a disclaimer didn't seem like such a high price to pay anymore.

                  So, I don't see what the issue is anymore.

                  Clearly the WSJ printed a bullshit story, and clearly the right wing spin machine is further distorting the record to provide cover for the Armstrong Williams story.  And clearly ZT made a mistake by insinuating that Markos and Jerome had conpromised their integrity.

                  However, it appears the Dean campaign DID hire, at least Markos, to make sure he didn't work for someone else.  And as part of that, they clearly hoped he would not flirt with Clark or anyone else again on his blog.

                  So, what exactly do you want ZT to recant?

              •  Why? (none / 0)

                  I gather he liked Clark, but felt Clark was waiting to long -- or wasn't going to do it. (Clark really did wait too long, as it turned out).

                  And Dean was getting it right then, so why not? Dean and Clark warred a great deal over the same supporters. My personal thought is whether you went Dean or Clark depended a great deal on whether you thought Clark would "neutralize" the foreign policy issue or not.

                  I didn't think he would, because I figured Rove could tar anyone. Turns out I was right. :)

                  Of course, I didn't like Clark simply because I felt that "President" isn't a starter job, even for former Generals. I never gave his candicacy a serious look because of that.

  •  Color me confused (3.50 / 2)

    What I don't get about Laura Gross' post is that it doesn't mention Zephyr Teachout at all. I thought the WSJ hit peace mentioned ZT as their only source? Whereas Gross makes it sound like the real origin of the non-story was an interaction between herself and Jeanne Cummings. What's going on here? Whether or not Laura thinks she had anything to do with this, since everybody else has been crediting Zephyr isn't it weird that she doesn't mention her at all?

    Damn George Bush! Damn everyone that won't damn George Bush! Damn every one that won't put lights in his window and sit up all night damning George Bush!

    by brainwave on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:48:25 AM PDT

    •  Totally agree (none / 0)

      WTF is going on here?  Did Dean's people REALLY TRY and "buy" kos?

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:59:45 AM PDT

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      •  Nah... (none / 0)

        What they REALLY thought they were doing when they hired Markos and Armstrong will probably forever remain a matter of interpretation. Unless somebody can dig out a copy of a memo by Trippi or Dean himself that says hire these people so they don't start blogging for Clark or something. Which is extremely unlikely to exist. So Zephyr can claim whatever she wants, and the only way to put this carnard to rest is for DFA (or Trippi) to come out of the woordwork and repudiate her. I think the reason that isn't happening may be a false sense of loyalty towards Zephyr.

        Damn George Bush! Damn everyone that won't damn George Bush! Damn every one that won't put lights in his window and sit up all night damning George Bush!

        by brainwave on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:33:40 AM PDT

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      •  Zephyr Said that (none / 0)

        Trippi says no.  Mathew Gross says no.

        Until Trippi and Gross said no, I believed it was possible that Zephyr was just an idiot but was telling the truth.  It now appears she was lying (or at least misunderstood something Trippi said).

    •  Basically, it looks like that... (3.50 / 2)

      ...during the newsgathering phase, the two reporters whose byline appeared reached out to the reporter who covered the Dean campaign in order to get some background on the situation. The two Journal writers with the byline had already spoken with Zephyr and wanted to get some additional info for the story...and that's how this area came up.
      Chris
  •  Wall Street Journal (4.00 / 3)

    Now it looks like the Wall Street Journal has its own Jayson Blair/Stephen Glass scandal.

    When will they hire a team to investigate their sloppy reporting?

    Maybe the editorial page has a greater influence on the news pages than previously disclosed?

    Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:52:09 AM PDT

  •  Media is on the WSJ's scandal (4.00 / 5)

    From Romenesko's Media News:

    From STEVE LOVELADY:We posted an item this afternoon on CJR Daily making the very point that Tom Nord makes in his letter [below] to Romenesko. WSJ was trying to put lipstick on a pig; it didn't fly.

    WSJ's bloggers story isn't news
    1/14/2005 4:36:19 PM

    From TOM NORD: Re: Dean campaign made payments to two political bloggers. This is not news. The blogosphere was well-aware of the fact that both bloggers had done work for the Dean campaign. Regular readers of both Armstrong and Moulitsas knew that that. The only people who have had their confidence "shaken" by this are right-wing bloggers who are desperately looking for some way to lessen the damage caused by the Armstrong Williams scandal.

    This is where the media posts and reads.

    Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:57:19 AM PDT

    •  I'm a regular Romenesko reader (none / 1)

      and I'm totally pissed at the way he's handled the story. Yes, he posted the reader letter, but his "front page" carries a VRWC-style recap and link to the original WSJ story as if it's real.

      Romenesko may be the most popular journo blog going but he's definitely posting it from VRWC Neverland. The Poynter Organization, an otherwise righteous establishment, should  dump him in favor of someone who blogs on the industry more objectively.

      But thank you for posting it, Carnacki.

      (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

      by doorguy on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:49:11 AM PDT

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      •  Not regular enough (none / 0)

        Or you'd know that Romenesko started MediaNews on his own, then Poynter bought it and brought him into their fold. I don't have a problem with the way he's handled it so far. That's where the story was yesterday, and he doesn't usually post on the weekend. I'm sure he'll have more stuff up Monday.
        •  Actually, I'm an everyday reader (none / 0)

          and one of the presumed many who emailed links to this site Thursday night around midnight his time, he chose to run the WSJ link and he had a rather full explanation of Marcos' front page story in his email box.

          And all three articles I have read about him have mentioned that he checks his email fastidiously. They also mentioned, yes, that he originated MediaNews but Poynter doesn't have to continue facilitating his endeavor.

          I'm guessing there are a dozen dKos people who could do a better print media industry blog (I'm not one of them).

          (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

          by doorguy on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 12:48:41 AM PDT

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  •  The whole thing (3.80 / 5)

    makes me ill, and shows just how much work we have to do.

    Bloggers who give tech advice, clearly stating so, are "exposed" in the media and compared to Williams?  mmmmm.....a poltical campaign pays for tech advising from folks who are experts in the field, and this is some "story" that needs to be "uncovered?"  

    Williams is given PUBLIC funds, to do PR work for the NCLB, he goes out and touts the NCLB as a journalist, all the while being on the PUBLIC payroll as a "consultant" hired to promote an ideological agenda.

    Now, the story is that GASP! Bloggers were PAID with PRIVATE funds to advise political campaigns!  Imagine the OUTRAGE because these Bloggers also CLEARLY stated, let me repeat that again, these bloggers had PUBLIC STATEMENTS or Disclosures if you prefer, stating EXACTLY what they were doing!  NO ONE KNEW! IT is a COVERUP!

    If something this insane can get twisted to this degree in the media, how in the HELL is something like a social security debate, the Iraq War and on and on, ever going to get anything close to "debate."

    At this point I am not sure of the solutions, but I do know that at this point in time in our Nation there is an evil words cannot begin to describe.

    AfterHoursStamper.blogspot.com

    by SanJoseLady on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 10:58:44 AM PDT

  •  Sucker punched (none / 1)

      So, their plan is working.  Get everyone talking about this nonstory and off the real issues of the day.  Don't stay distracted by this for too long folks.  

    Winning without Delay.

    by ljm on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:00:03 AM PDT

  •  Kos...you ought ask O'Reilly & Hewitt while (3.50 / 2)

    you're at it.

    Both lied through their teeth AND/OR their staffs didn't do due diligence. (The latter being what Mary Mapes and CBS were guilty of.)

    You ought to ask O'Reilly & Hewitt for retraction and apology while you're at it.  

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:01:44 AM PDT

  •  Kos, front-pagers, please take some advice. (3.75 / 4)

    Let it go. You clearly proved all innocence at this point (which was important, and I am glad you did it - I wasn't here those days.) But by going on and on about it, you are making yourselves look bad, when you shouldn't - you are giving the story legitimacy. And take away from all the other news, too.

    Contacting the WSJ and O'Reilly/Fox (pretty fruitless) and whomever else is still a good idea, however.

    Victim of the *other* war America is waging.

    by nephalim on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:01:52 AM PDT

    •  The time to kill the story (4.00 / 5)

      was yesterday morning.  Zephyr should have come out with a clarification and apology.

      Too late for that.  It's time to answer and turn it around on WSJ, O'Reilly, Hewitt, etc.

      -Newsie
      has worked in PR

      "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

      by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:04:16 AM PDT

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      •  Yup, and that moment has passed... (4.00 / 2)

        Too late, Zephyr. Of all people, she should know how fast the blogosphere works and how important it is to move quickly to correct information, etc. The fact that she hasn't done anything yet tells you everything you need know about her...

        Wars not make one great. - Yoda

        by Volvo Liberal on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:25:01 AM PDT

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      •  Agree (none / 0)

        The right was desparate to make the Williams thing into a "it sucks, but everybody does it" debate as an attempt to soften what will no doubt be future disclosures about payola to other winger "journalists".

        Unfortunately, they wanted it TOO much, and the WSJ didn't get their ducks in a row first.  They stepped in it and, played right, we can turn this into a broader discussion of the lack of ethics in the RWM in general.

        Or, given the SLCM, maybe get them to finally openly discuss that there is a RWM.

        Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
        We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
        Oh, also when they eat brains.

        by Ugluks Flea on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:33:17 AM PDT

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      •  Precisely (none / 0)

        Her studied ignorance of what she wrought here is frankly stunning.  How terribly irresponsible can one person be, especially toward those who apparantly we once allies.  

        There ought to be a special place in Hell for those who carve up their friends for sport.

    •  nephalim (4.00 / 4)

      It's gone beyond proving their innocence and into media scandal now. Cleaning up the media is more important than clearing the names of two bloggers (Sorry, Kos and Jerome). So it deserves front page status for that reason.

      We've got to fix the 4th Estate of this shoddy style of reporting in order to fix an important part of democracy.

      We must get to the bottom of Journalgate.

      Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

      by Carnacki on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:06:12 AM PDT

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    •  We are fools (4.00 / 2)

      Here we go again.  We are letting them play bait and switch and we're baiting the hook for them....

      Don't misunderstand.  Kos and everybody else should defend themselves.  But, look what they have done?  The took the Armstrong story, where really serious ethics questions are to be raised about being paid with tax payer money to sell Bush policies and have fallen into their trap of defending their distraction.

      That's us all right.  Spend days and days defending until their story gets more coverage than Armstrong story.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heave anymore."--Prine
      Blue House Diaries

      by Cathy on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:17:36 AM PDT

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      •  Disagree completely (4.00 / 2)

        We don't do this and it becomes the "truth."

        Everybody dies alone.

        by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:21:32 AM PDT

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        •  How many times do we refute it? (none / 0)

          Sure, it must be refuted but, I see it becoming us as chumps to their game, like we have been on so many issues.

          Maybe what we need to do is defend ourselves AND keep pushing the Armstrong story.  See?  It disappears while they have us talking about us.

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heave anymore."--Prine
          Blue House Diaries

          by Cathy on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:24:43 AM PDT

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          •  The chart last night did do that. (none / 0)

            There are many ways to refute stories and to go on the attack.

            "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

            by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:26:55 AM PDT

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          •  Thats where (4.00 / 2)

            the right has had us beat for awhile now - generation and dissemination of talking points across the span of their unholy cabal.  The issue of Williams must ALWAYS be brought up when discussing this, and not as

            Look, Williams was much much worse!"

             (which totally buys into their frame), but as

            "The conservative movement so is desparate to have us ignore the ethical gutter that is the hallmark of right wing journalism, personified in this case by Williams, that they need to dredge up old news and twist it into something analogous to their own sins as a bait and switch."

            I hope whatever reformer takes over the DNC will make sure that some smart PR people are put on the case 24-7 to have a living list of talking points (of our prefered frame) to maintain a consistant message.

            Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
            We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
            Oh, also when they eat brains.

            by Ugluks Flea on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:46:51 AM PDT

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          •  when Zephyr Recants (none / 0)

            then it is refuted. Until then, it remains an issue.

            Everybody dies alone.

            by Armando on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 12:29:41 PM PDT

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      •  Turning it around on WSJ and (none / 1)

        discrediting WSJ could be worthwhile.

        Same with O'Reilly and Hewitt.

        The storyline could become that they lied or peddled false information.

        "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

        by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:22:56 AM PDT

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        •  Agree (none / 0)

          The best defense is a good offense. Turn it around and put the WSJ on the defensive. Make them justify their "story."
          •  It's just not going to happen. (none / 0)

            They won't apologize. They think they can get away with anything. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong, however.

            Did they ever apologize for that bogus story about John Kerry (or Teresa's) taxes?

            Victim of the *other* war America is waging.

            by nephalim on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:59:59 AM PDT

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            •  You miss the point (none / 0)

              The outcome of the action is not important. The idea is to shift the debate from their point to ours. Place them on the defensive even if they don't do anything but defend.

              You question their integrity and valitidity and ethics. The right does this all the time and it works even when they don't have the facts on their side. We have the facts on our side.

              Go on offense.

              •  I'm sorry. (none / 0)

                If the outcome isn't important, and isn't likely to be positive, what's the point? All you are doing is giving the story legitimacy when it shouldn't have any.

                That's my opinion, but I won't argue it any further. This is Kos' blog, and he is free to do what he sees fit. I just wanted to offer my opinion.

                Victim of the *other* war America is waging.

                by nephalim on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 12:19:26 PM PDT

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      •  i doubt this will replace the armstrong story (none / 0)

        for anyone but the already convinced rabid right. armstrong is about to be investigated by the fcc and the administration is being formally asked by house democrats to answer payola questions. the republicans can't generate the same kind of action in the kos-worked-for-dean-while-blogging story because there is no equivalency.

        the real reason (imho) kos has to keep fighting this one has to do with his desire to be involved in politics as a reform democrat. if that's what you are, you aren't bought by anyone. and you don't let yourself get taken down by someone like zephyr. you fight back and do your best to make the other guy scream uncle. who respects you as a pol if you can't do that? and what purpose of your own does it serve to roll over?  

        We get a lot of advice. We tend to listen when somebody's won something. - Joe Lockhart

        by yankeedoodler on Sun Jan 16, 2005 at 02:30:14 AM PDT

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  •  More on the growing JournalGate (3.66 / 3)

    Columbia Journalism Review's blog

    Excerpt of the 'Lipstick on pig' post:

    It's a Pig, Anyway You Look at It  

    Sometimes a story is so good, so rich in context and so revealing in detail, that it virtually leaps off the page as something special.

    Other times, only by leaving out context, burying important information, and emphasizing misleading details can a reporter dress up a non-story into something that resembles a legitimate article.

    They hand out Pulitzers for reporters who track down the former. Alas, William M. Bulkeley and James Bandler, the Wall Street Journal reporters responsible for the latest example of the latter, are going to have to settle for something a bit less prestigious.

    Let's call it the "Lipstick On a Pig Award" -- the LOPA for short. Bulkeley and Bandler began earning their LOPA right at the outset of their piece today, called "Dean Campaign Made Payments to Two Bloggers." Here's the lede:

    Howard Dean's presidential campaign hired two Internet political "bloggers" as consultants so that they would say positive things about the former governor's campaign in their online journals, according to a former high-profile Dean aide.

    That sounds pretty bad -- until you consider the fact that one of those bloggers, Markos Moulitsas (who the piece calls Markos Zuniga), was himself the first to disclose his relationship to the Dean campaign with a disclaimer on his site -- albeit one that said only that he was doing "technical work" for the Dean campaign. The other blogger, Jerome Armstrong, was on blogging hiatus while he was getting paid to work for the Dean campaign.

    Those are the facts that take the sting out of a sensational lede. They're also the facts that don't appear until the eighth paragraph of the ten-paragraph piece.

    This isn't to say there aren't some very important ethical questions when it comes to bloggers and compensation. But this is an attempted mugging by implication (the implication here being that these bloggers took the money, didn't disclose it, and then giddily blogged for Dean), followed by omission. There have been examples recently of precisely the sort of thing the Journal piece promises, but fails to deliver in this story -- most notably, in South Dakota, where two prominent local bloggers were paid more than $30,000 by the John Thune election campaign without disclosing the connection. But that's not even the comparison Bulkeley and Bandler try to draw here.

    Instead, in a truly convoluted piece of logic, they try to paint the Moulitsas/Armstong case as the equivalent of the notorious Armstrong Williams example of play-for-pay. Here's their third paragraph:

    The issue of political payments to commentators has become hot following disclosures that the Bush administration paid a conservative radio and newspaper pundit, Armstrong Williams, $240,000 to plug its "No Child Left Behind" education policy.

    That's a disconnect, implying a similarity between the Williams case and the bloggers the Journal is trying to skewer -- a similarity that just isn't there, considering, among other things, the disclosure issue. (And Moulitsas makes no bones about the fact that he is a political activist, not a journalist; he has said, more than once, that his mission is to get selected candidates elected.)

    All this is gives us reason enough to present the our inaugural LOPA to Bulkeley and Bandler for dressing up a non-story so thoroughly that it looked, at first glance, as if it actually belonged in the newspaper.

    Miss Piggy may look prettier with the lipstick, but she's still got no business at the ball.

    For the record, I always thought Miss Piggy one of the glamour queens of Hollywood and it's unfair to link her with the ugliness of this Journalgate affair. But I agree with the rest of the post.

    Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:03:03 AM PDT

  •  Retraction (none / 1)

    "The WSJ needs to admit they wrote a shitty story and retract it. I want nothing less."

    Yes.  But at minimum the retraction needs to be the same size, page, and point-type as the original story.  Media loves to bury their screwups on page 110 in the classifieds.
     

  •  kos says "Goss" (none / 0)

    Is it "Goss" or "Gross"?

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 11:21:52 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for the info (none / 1)

    Nice work. While WSJ should of course apologize for its sloppy, utterly reckless story, I doubt that they will retract it, as the story was written in that slimy, insinuating way so common in the journal's editorial pages; also, we're not exactly the constituency WSJ is prone to lis