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As the post below notes, Reid asked the Senate to go into special session on intelligence -- that is, a closed session -- to discuss prewar intelligence. This mostion, along with a second (provided by Durbin), requires all Senators to report to the Senate floor. It is a non-debatable motion.

Cue in lots of hystrionics from Frist and company. Republicans whined that this was a violation of Senate tradition. This coming from the gang that wants to eliminate the judicial filibuster. Frist whined that he wasn't consulted. As though Democrats have had a seat at the table in this Congress. They want to play hardball? Fine. Reid sent notice that he can play that game as well.

Frist whined, "Senator Daschle never did anything like this." Damn right. A new sheriff is in town.

Now, this is more than a temporary stunt. The Democratic leadership has promised to call a special session in the Senate every single day until Republicans alllow for a real investigation.

So let's see what we have here --

Democrats showing leadership and fight. Very nice. Democrats creating a media narrative around Republican stonewalling of a real investigation into pre-war intelligence. Also very nice. Republicans getting a taste of things to come if they initiate the nuclear option? Very crafty.

They are currently still in special session.

From Reid's office:

Reid ask to go into special session on intelligence to discuss intelligence failures and the war in Iraq. Statement below

Statement by Senator Reid
Troops and Security First

This past weekend, we witnessed the indictment of the I. Lewis Libby, the Vice President's Chief of Staff and a senior Advisor to President Bush.  Libby is the first sitting White House staffer to be indicted in 135 years. This indictment raises very serious charges.  It asserts this Administration engaged in actions that both harmed our national security and are morally repugnant.

The decision to place U.S. soldiers in harm's way is the most significant responsibility the Constitution invests in the Congress.  The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really about: how the Administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions.

As a result of its improper conduct, a cloud now hangs over this Administration.  This cloud is further darkened by the Administration's mistakes in prisoner abuse scandal, Hurricane Katrina, and the cronyism and corruption in numerous agencies.

And, unfortunately, it must be said that a cloud also hangs over this Republican-controlled Congress for its unwillingness to hold this Republican Administration accountable for its misdeeds on all of these issues.

Let's take a look back at how we got here with respect to Iraq Mr. President.  The record will show that within hours of the terrorist attacks on 9/11, senior officials in this Administration recognized these attacks could be used as a pretext to invade Iraq.  

The record will also show that in the months and years after 9/11, the Administration engaged in a pattern of manipulation of the facts and retribution against anyone who got in its way as it made the case for attacking Iraq.

There are numerous examples of how the Administration misstated and manipulated the facts as it made the case for war.  Administration statements on Saddam's alleged nuclear weapons capabilities and ties with Al Qaeda represent the best examples of how it consistently and repeatedly manipulated the facts.

The American people were warned time and again by the President, the Vice President, and the current Secretary of State about Saddam's nuclear weapons capabilities. The Vice President said Iraq "has reconstituted its nuclear weapons." Playing upon the fears of Americans after September 11, these officials and others raised the specter that, left unchecked, Saddam could soon attack America with nuclear weapons.

Obviously we know now their nuclear claims were wholly inaccurate.  But more troubling is the fact that a lot of intelligence experts were telling the Administration then that its claims about Saddam's nuclear capabilities were false.  
The situation was very similar with respect to Saddam's links to Al Qaeda.  The Vice President told the American people, "We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know he has a longstanding relationship with various terrorist groups including the Al Qaeda organization."

The Administration's assertions on this score have been totally discredited.  But again, the Administration went ahead with these assertions in spite of the fact that the government's top experts did not agree with these claims.  

What has been the response of this Republican-controlled Congress to the Administration's manipulation of intelligence that led to this protracted war in Iraq?  Basically nothing.   Did the Republican-controlled Congress carry out its constitutional obligations to conduct oversight?  No.  Did it support our troops and their families by providing them the answers to many important questions?  No.  Did it even attempt to force this Administration to answer the most basic questions about its behavior?  No.

Unfortunately the unwillingness of the Republican-controlled Congress to exercise its oversight responsibilities is not limited to just Iraq.  We see it with respect to the prisoner abuse scandal.  We see it with respect to Katrina.  And we see it with respect to the cronyism and corruption that permeates this Administration.

Time and time again, this Republican-controlled Congress has consistently chosen to put its political interests ahead of our national security.  They have repeatedly chosen to protect the Republican Administration rather than get to the bottom of what happened and why.  

There is also another disturbing pattern here, namely about how the Administration responded to those who challenged its assertions.  Time and again this Administration has actively sought to attack and undercut those who dared to raise questions about its preferred course.

For example, when General Shinseki indicated several hundred thousand troops would be needed in Iraq, his military career came to an end.  When then OMB Director Larry Lindsay suggested the cost of this war would approach $200 billion, his career in the Administration came to an end. When U.N. Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix challenged conclusions about Saddam's WMD capabilities, the Administration pulled out his inspectors.  When Nobel Prize winner and IAEA head Mohammed el-Baridei raised questions about the Administration's claims of Saddam's nuclear capabilities, the Administration attempted to remove him from his post.  When Joe Wilson stated that there was no attempt by Saddam to acquire uranium from Niger, the Administration launched a vicious and coordinated campaign to demean and discredit him, going so far as to expose the fact that his wife worked as a CIA agent.

Given this Administration's pattern of squashing those who challenge its misstatements, what has been the response of this Republican-controlled Congress? Again, absolutely nothing. And with their inactions, they provide political cover for this Administration at the same time they keep the truth from our troops who continue to make large sacrifices in Iraq.  

This behavior is unacceptable.  The toll in Iraq is as staggering as it is solemn.  More than 2,000 Americans have lost their lives.  Over 90 Americans have paid the ultimate sacrifice this month alone - the fourth deadliest month since the war began.  More than 15,000 have been wounded.  More than 150,000 remain in harm's way. Enormous sacrifices have been and continue to be made.  

The troops and the American people have a right to expect answers and accountability worthy of that sacrifice.  For example, 40 Senate Democrats wrote a substantive and detailed letter to the President asking four basic questions about the Administration's Iraq policy and received a four sentence answer in response.  These Senators and the American people deserve better.    

They also deserve a searching and comprehensive investigation about how the Bush Administration brought this country to war.  Key questions that need to be answered include:

o      How did the Bush Administration assemble its case for war against Iraq?
o      Who did Bush Administration officials listen to and who did they ignore?
o      How did senior Administration officials manipulate or manufacture intelligence presented to the Congress and the American people?
o      What was the role of the White House Iraq Group or WHIG, a group of senior White House officials tasked with marketing the war and taking down its critics?
o      How did the Administration coordinate its efforts to attack individuals who dared to challenge the Administration's assertions?
o      Why has the Administration failed to provide Congress with the documents that will shed light on their misconduct and misstatements?

Unfortunately the Senate committee that should be taking the lead in providing these answers is not. Despite the fact that the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee publicly committed to examine many of these questions more than 1 and ½ years ago, he has chosen not to keep this commitment.  Despite the fact that he restated that commitment earlier this year on national television, he has still done nothing.  

At this point, we can only conclude he will continue to put politics ahead of our national security. If he does anything at this point, I suspect he will play political games by producing an analysis that fails to answer any of these important questions.  Instead, if history is any guide, this analysis will attempt to disperse and deflect blame away from the Administration.  

We demand that the Intelligence Committee and other committees in this body with jurisdiction over these matters carry out a full and complete investigation immediately as called for by Democrats in the committee's annual intelligence authorization report.  Our troops and the American people have sacrificed too much.  It is time this Republican-controlled Congress put the interests of the American people ahead of their own political interests.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:50 PM PST.

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  •  Frist says it's a political "stunt" (4.00)
    Does it take a political stunt to get the Senate talking about how we got in this mess and how we are going to get out?  If so, I only hope Reid knows lots more.
    •  Off topic- Alito (2.83)
      Here's a question I have:

      Why don't the Senate Democrats pound Alito on Griswold?  We all know he's going to refuse to answer questions on Roe v. Wade.  But I have yet to talk to anyone who's been able to articulate a logical or coherent basis for wanting to overturn Roe that wouldn't also overturn Griswold (the case that held a state ban on the sale or use of contraceptives unconstitutional as a violation of our constitutional right to privacy).  

      If Alito refused to answer that question, he would look crazy.  I think it would be fairly devastating to have him on record as not being able to answer the question of whether a ban on contraceptives was unconstitutional.

      •  Go Dems! Time to Kick some SERIOUS ass! (none)
        Freep away kossacks! Time to mobilize in mass force!
        •  Alito told Specter he supports Griswold (none)
          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

          Looks like Alito is going the John Roberts route. Say whatever he has to say to get confirmed, then turn into Scalia when he takes his oath.  At that point, there is nothing the Senate can do about it.

          Basically, the Dems need to get Alito saying under oath that he supports Griswold and would not overturn it.  That way, if he does eventually vote to overturn it, he can be indicted for perjury before Congress. Then you could impeach him and kick him from the bench.

          But really, I don't see how Supreme Court nominees could ever be punished after confirmation for what they say during confirmation. These guys make an art out of lying and it's up to Dems to see the truth and vote accordingly.

      •  Scalito Who??? (none)
        This was a two-fer for our side.

        We not only brought laser focus to the Manipulation of Intel by Bush and the shirking of Oversight Responsibilities by Roberts et al...

        We also stole their thunder! Yup they put up Scalito in hopes of diverting the news from Libbey to Scalito - - - We took back the hill and replanted our flag - the American Flag!

      •  all the Dems have to is ask over and (none)
        over again "Sir, you believe that the state can force a woman to tell her husband that she is going to have an abortion?"

        I am very pro-choice but it seems to me that this is even worse than banning abortion. Next they will pass a law that I have to tell my wife that I am having a vasedectomy?

        Dean said it best "We want the government out of our most peronal of decisions"

        If you like incompetence, corruption and cronyism vote Republican

        by Jlukes on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:50:37 PM PST

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    •  A political stunt was (4.00)
      calling for the vote for authorization of force against Iraq right before the November 2002 elections.
    •  "Political stunt"! (4.00)
      That's #3 on the GOP Drinking Game List!

      <chug>

      "Do not offend the Chair Leg of Truth. It is wise and terrible!"

      by section29 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:55:47 PM PST

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    •  its not a stunt... (none)
      its a call for oversight...something Frist doesnt understand because, for as long as he has been leader, there hasnt been any oversight at all which is why he see's a call for oversight as a stunt...silly billy.

      "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

      by KnotIookin on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:55:55 PM PST

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      •  His hand is in cookie jar already (none)
        oversight of HCA stock sales with insider information  ..... Bill has the Republican credo embraced - it is only a crime when you get caught. otherwise, pilfer away - the scumbag.
      •  That's their MO (none)
        Republican kool aid drinkers such as Frist can only see motions such as Reid's in the light of their own 'tactics' for grabbing and keeping power.

        This is a legal Senate procedural motion made to open up our government to the scrutiny of the people, and not a stunt, a trick, or a diversion.

        It's about time the OTHER America had its voice heard.

        Bush has SO DIVIDED this country that we will spend years making amends with each other.

        I despair.

      •  Speaking of stunts... (none)
        The NIE of 2002 was a Rethug "stunt," taking all of a month to prepare (normally they take 6 months).  It's just come out that much of the "qualifier" wording was omitted for the Senate and America.

        This NIE was the basis of Dems signing on to the war, and it was a clever fabrication by BushCo.

        They won't get away with the "But look at the NIE" crap anymore.

        If this is a Democratic stunt, I like it.

        The rhetoric of the right wing is being fixed around the policy of disinformation.

        by MoronMike on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:41:56 PM PST

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        •  Ooo Ooo links! (none)
          if you got'em handy.

          That NIE farce sounds interesting.  Just like this paragraph from WaPo:

          "The uranium claims had never been significant to career analysts -- Iraq had plenty already and lacked the means to enrich it. But the allegations proved irresistible to the White House Iraq Group, which devised the war's communications strategy and included Libby among its members. Every layman understood the connection between uranium and the bomb, participants in the group said in interviews at the time, and it was the easiest way for the Bush administration to raise alarms."  

          Folks, Plame was outed because Wilson was attacking a PR campaign... the Niger-uranium story never added up to anything but clever PR.  Real Foreign Policy types knew Iraq already had uranium, and that yellowcake is nowhere near weapons-grade.

          This is COMPLETELY off-topic, so I apologize.  But that NIE thing also shows what a farce the whole buildup to this war was.

          •  Yep... (none)
            I and many others around here and over at TPM pointed out that State never put any credibility in the uranium (yellowcake) claims, because Iraq already had over 500 tons of the shit in country already and there were no inspectors a tthe time.

            So buying more yellowcake from Niger was a pointless exercise if Iraq were to undertake it, since they had more uranium than they could ever use, but no means to enrich it.

            So screaming the sky is falling because of fabricated nonsensical claims Iraq was buying even more yellowcake it could do nothing with, on top of what they already had made my bullshit detector go off loud and clear.

            cheers,

            Mitch Gore

            Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

            by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:26:06 PM PST

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    •  Sadly, Iraq itself was a political 'stunt' (4.00)
      and this action of Reid's is not only appropriate, but necessary for the good of the nation.
      Politically, this helps knock Alito off the front page.
      Great move, and a lot more to it than any "stunt"- this is real democracy.

      I'm a proud Democrat right now.

    •  Frist can call it (4.00)
      what he damn well pleases.  I call it making the Senators do their jobs.  Of course, given most Republicans' "absentee-CEO-in-Bermuda" approach to doing their jobs, it's not surprising Frist would whine.

      Frist in another, less privileged life: "Come onnn, Mr. Harvey, I don't wannna work a weekend shift.  Can't Harry Reid work the fry vat instead?  He likes to get all that overtime." [mumble grumble piss and moan to self] "Well, okay, goddamnit, I'll fucken come to work, but I won't do shit, and fucken Harvey'll be lucky if I don't French fry his cat...."

      •  Frist the shameless whiner (4.00)
        Poor little Dr. Cat Killah whines:

        "Senator Daschle never did anything like this."

        Yeah, genius.  But you ignored Senate decorum last time Daschle was running and traveled to his home state, actively campaigning to defeat him.

        Well bitch, you got what you wanted.  

        Now live with the consequences, you big fucking Republican baby.

           

    •  And Terri Schiavo (4.00)
      wasn't a political stunt???  WTF???
    •  There Are More (4.00)
      For instance, here are two:

      1. Don't agree to unanamous consents, and require a roll call vote on every measure.

      2. Require a literal reading of every single bill.  Hell, the omnibus budget would probably take a week to read.

      I've never worked in Congress, so I don't know the rules.  But in a legislative setting, there are lots of things you can do to screw with a majority.  It means nothing gets accomplished, or at least very little.  Prior to last Friday, I don't know that it was a smart risk for the Dems to take, because they would have looked obstructionist but possibly without the requisite sense of crisis or, to use a now-famous term, "extraordinary circumstances," that would have justified the move in the eyes of the public.  But now, with the indictment of Libby and the likliehood of more indictments, at least of Rove, it's a good day to strike, especially as it takes some of the air out of the Alito story, and sets up the story for a possible nuclear option.

      By doing it now, they don't just draw attention to the CIA leak, they may possibly be linking their rationale for opposing the Nuclear Option to Plamegate.

      It's incredibly savvy moves like this that cased demtom to comment on a thread over at The Next Hurrah that he had grown to trust Reid's instincts so much that he was pondering turning over his power of attorney to the Dem leader.  

      Brilliant move.  And I understand from an email I just received that my senior Senator, Carl Levin, was in the mix.  Good for Carl, the most underrated Senator in America.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:03:55 PM PST

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      •  yep (none)
        and as you know, this harkens back to some very old union tactics which have been used with great success to leverage against the bosses.  The Rebel Girl herself was a big fan of the "Book of Rules" tactic.
      •  Really brilliant... (4.00)
        I think you nailed it with the comment on setting the stage for a fight over the filibuster.  Reid can reframe the fight not over Democratic obstructionism (on a SCOTUS nominee) but Republican obstructionism on a criminal investigation regarding national security.  Very, very smart.  It addresses the urgent need to refocus the media back on Libby and Cheney, and does one better - it throws down the gaunlet on the Alito nomination in a very clever and sophisticated way.

        I know Frist has no chance in hell of the Republican nomination in 2008, but it sure is a fine gift to see him outflanked and whining about it. The last time this happened was with the gang of 14, and he looked like a peevish little twit then too.  

      •  Just had a thought (none)
        Does this have anything to do with Alito? Could this be Reid's way of showing what will happen all the time if the reps nuke the place?

        Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

        by corwin on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:23:39 PM PST

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        •  a little bit (none)
          Alito was just a response by Bush/Rove to the Libby indictment.  If this were Chess, the indictment would be like a check move, and Alito just moved the King away from Fitz's Queen.
          Reid just established a rook (check) so now the 'King' has to move again.

          IOW, the walls seem to be closing in, and we are now presenting more firepower than they expected.

        •  A lot ! (none)
          This is precisely the sort of parliamentary move that Reid has promised if the GOP 'goes nuclear.' He is giving them a taste of what life will be like once they pull the trigger.

          I've got blisters on my fingers!

          by Elwood Dowd on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:04:27 PM PST

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      •  It underlines the attempt to change the topic (none)
        I really like that it brings out the attempt of the administration to steer from Libby to Alito and the Avian Flu -- they are trying to play pinball with our attention span, hoping if they change the subject enough times, no one will actually dig into the facts.  That nothing will get traction.

        What Reid did was pull the brakes and say 'No, we're not done talking about this.'  

        His speech is brilliant.  Articulate, factual without being boring or overly complex, and he showed that he has many sources and examples to pull from.  They aren't just hanging their complaints on one data point -- they have a lot to work with.

        The only sort of 'hmmm' question I had when it was done: is Wilkerson going to be a major target for a smear campaign now?  He's a critical witness to the WHIG shenanigans, and he was cited several times in this speech.

      •  Even worse (none)
        Senate rules say that standing committees cannot meet while the full Senate is debating on the floor.  Boy, would that slow down the Senate if that rule weren't waved through unanimous consent!

        The quest for freedom, dignity, and the rights of man will never end. - Justice Brennan

        by jim bow on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:52:38 PM PST

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        •  Great Example (none)
          Like I said, I'm not all that familiar with Senate rules, but that's another example of moves open to the Dems to shut the place down if the Repubs don't stop stonewalling on Iraqgate and if they try to launch the Nuclear Option.  

          And you and I both know Reid and Durbin have a long list of just such moves, and incresingly a caucus willing to follow them into procedural combat.

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:04:10 PM PST

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    •  Yes, it is, kind of like nominating... (4.00)
      ...the biggest bastard you can find to the Supreme Court to try to get Plame, Libby and lies about the Iraq war out of the headlines.

      Crybabies.

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

      by expatjourno on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:04:06 PM PST

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    •  Of course it is a stunt. (none)
      It is a brilliant stunt.  We are either going to have hearings, or the Republicans are going to look like, ,,, well,,, what they are.  Give 'em hell Harry.
    •  Frist says it was a slap in the face... NO (4.00)
      it was a Bitch-Slap in the face dude. And you deserved it for not doing your job. We want and demand an investigation!

      Keep Religion in Church

      by titotitotito on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:10:29 PM PST

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    •  The subliminable message (4.00)
      Of course, it's a brilliant stunt. The AP story is "Dems force senate into Iraq meeting." But Reid is sending a less subtle message, as well, and it's all about the filibuster. No vote is required to call the senate into special session. They can do this all they want, and there are a dozen other procedures they could use to gum up nonessential business (the only sort the GOP ever seems to conduct), should the bastards go nukeular. This is just a taste.

      "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

      by Septic Tank on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:20:15 PM PST

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    •  And I say Frist is a (none)
      Traitorous fucking scum-sucking pig and a fucking criminal fraudulent fuck of a "Dr." and would gladly spit in his fucking face if given the chance.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:38:16 PM PST

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  •  are the Republicans in secret session (none)
    or did they walk out?
  •  woot (none)
    I couldn't be more pleased.
  •  I'm dancing around the house! (none)
    WOOOOOOO HOOOOOO!
  •  Two words for the GOP (4.00)
    Game fuckin ON

    Its about time.

  •  God bless Harry Reid! (4.00)
    America needs more true patriots like Reid.  Time and again, he has impressed me with his political courage.

    Keep calling those closed sessions, Harry.  Force the issue.  

    I love how Reid's statement ties the whole Iraq mess DIRECTLY to the Republicans.  Perfect.

    Support The Troops, Demand The Truth

    by MamaBear on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:51:13 PM PST

    •  It's not like Reid and dems haven't tried (none)
      to get at this the nice way.  They get shut down every time.

      Plus, this is an excellent foreshadowing of the procedural maneuvers Reid will use if the nucular option is played out.

      This is a warning shot.
      And shows Reid is more than willing to pull the trigger.

      --Liberate your radio--

      by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:04:52 PM PST

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    •  Banners and bumper stickers all around! (none)
      God bless Harry Reid!

      Leadership by Example

      by haywood on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:21:48 PM PST

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    •  And I love the way (none)
      ...he played Shrub like a drum on the Miers nomination.  Bush loses what little political capital he has left by spinning Miers as the "best possible choice" and then (Sc)Alito looks like a "2nd fiddle" picked solely to appease the Talibangelists of the party.

      "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

      by frisco on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:37:40 PM PST

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    •  Just sent Harry some money (none)
      for his Searchlight program.

      Also sent him email telling him that every time the Dems act like they remember why they are in DC, I'll send more for as long as I can afford to.

      The look on Frist's face was priceless. He looked like he just swallowed a big slimy slug.

      Yum!

      We must have stem-cell research. How else will Congress and the media grow spines?

      by bablhous on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:46:41 PM PST

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  •  Frist on C-SPAN (none)
    kept throwing around words like "civility" and "respect."  Oh, the irony!

    "Don't blame me, I voted for the smart guy."

    by frsbdg on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:51:14 PM PST

  •  Finally!!! (4.00)
    Maybe they really do have a backbone!!
  •  I'm sure we'll hear more (none)
    with terms like 'holding the Senate hostage' and such but if that's what it takes to find the TRUTH then I say, go for it.

    Finally some backbone is showing.

    •  That's ok... (none)
      Dems need to respond to every charge of hostage-taking with keeping people on the clock, making Senators do their jobs, and maintaining integrity of government oversight.

      Reid is making Senators work; he is not taking hostages.

      The worst crimes were dared by a few, willed by more and tolerated by all. ~Tacitus

      by casey b on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:19 PM PST

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      •  Last I checked - they're supposed to (none)
        be working on our fucking behalf!  It's about goddamn time they got to work on something other than bridges to nowhere in Alaska.

        "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

        by frisco on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:41:26 PM PST

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    •  Counter with (none)
      "holding the Senate ACCOUNTABLE".

      "If you get an outfit, you can be a cowboy, too..." : The Smothers Brothers.

      by wozzle on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:13:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tweety said (4.00)
    That it's hamhanded and empty, considering that Schumer, Hillary, and many others still haven't come out against the war! They, to date, have not said, "Had I know I was misled, I never would have voted to give him authority to use force."

    Until they ALL say that, it's a little weak, but I'm glad they did it anyway.

    You are awareness, disguised as a person - Eckhart Tolle

    by steelman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:51:43 PM PST

    •  Tweety has a point. (4.00)
      I'm not voting for, nor helping, any Democrat who won't say plainly "we were misled into war" and who won't make getting our troops home a top priority.  At this point, anyone who can't say that is an active supporter of our occupation of Iraq.

      Sign the pledge with Paul Hackett and me, please.

    •  Tweety is the biggest (4.00)
      shill for Bush.  It was disgusting how he was schmoozed by Bush during the 2000 election when Bush said Churchill was Bush's favorite historical figure (knowing that Churchill was Tweety's favorite)and Tweety just gushed.....
    •  sorry -- you're playing tweety's game (4.00)
      being supportive of the war effort does is not a choice that exists in opposition to wanting to know the truth.

      don't play tweety's game.

      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

      by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:57:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ahh, no (none)
        This isn't about the "war effort".

        Clinton voted to authorize the war, as did many democrats.

        That is unacceptable. dKos et all on the web knew that the justification was bullshit.  

        They made a cold calculated decision to put politics ahead of what was right.  They were terrified that Bush may be right.  

        Imagine the political fallout that would happen for democrats who voted against the war if the marines rolled into Baghdad and found an a-bomb next to a map of DC.  Crushing.  They were terrified that maybe, just maybe, Bush was right and Hussein really was that crazy.

        And they knew that if they turned out to be on the wrong side their loyal apologists in their base would glibly protect them from criticism, as so many on dkos are doing now.  Just like you.

        Kerry, Clinton, et all have a lot of explaining to do.  I don't you can ever trust them again unless they really show some change of heart on the topic and undo the damage done.

        And remember, it's not just one vote.  It's vote after vote after vote after vote after vote.  Bush will be out of money in Iraq in a matter of weeks, and he'll be back to the Congress asking for more funding.

        Will the Democrats rejected his plea for money, forcing an end to the war?  Or will they allow him to continue on.  That is the test.  Until they reject Bush in a real way, by a vote, they are losers in my book.

        Never EVER forget that if every Democrat voted against the Authorisation of Military Force Against Iraq the war would never have happened.

        •  If Every Democrat Had Voted Against the Iraq War (none)
          Rove-Bush would still have invaded - the House of Saud wanted US troops out of Saudi Arabia, the neocons demanded a show of force and permanent military bases in the Middle East, and the mainstream media stayed in Republican talking-point transcription from fear of another 9/11-style surprise...

          The big difference would have been that Kerry would have been able to campaign against the Iraq War.  Maybe the Scooter trial will give everyone the cover they need to start chanting "Bush Lied, Thousands Died."

          Draft Harry Reid for President!

          •  Uhh (none)
            No, I disagree.  Bush would not have invaded because he wouldn't have had the money for it.

            Congress controls the money, friend, and without that, that's it.

            If Congress refused to fund Iraq we'd be TOTALLY OUT of there in a matter of weeks, if not days.

            That's all there is to it.  

            No money, no war, no occupation.

            •  dude (none)
              guess who controls congress????!!!!

              "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

              by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:00:29 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Look it up (none)
                Dude,

                Look it up.  Not every Republican voted for the war.  

                The vote in the Senate was 77-23. 29 democrats voted for the war.

                So, if all 29 of those democrats voted no, the vote would have been:

                48-52

                Get it now??

                •  who controls congress??? (none)
                  it's just a question.

                  "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                  by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:12:12 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Nice dodge (none)
                    Very artful.

                    Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                    Feingold for President

                    by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:42:11 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  no dodge (none)
                      it was just a question.

                      the dodge is:  not answering the question.

                      also by heskett's estimation, feingold is the most guilty of all cause he voted to keep giving bushco the money they need to wage the war.

                      i'm glad i don't agree with that kind of bullshit.

                      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                      by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:32:10 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I didn't say I agreed with him (none)
                        But you asked him who controlled the Senate. He pointed out that which party was in power didn't matter, because if the Democrats had voted together, the resolution would have failed. You ignored this entirely.

                        I don't agree with all his points, but at least he's responding to with fully fleashed out opinions as opposed to repeating the same hyperbolic polemic over and over with lots of exclamation points.

                        Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                        Feingold for President

                        by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:44:45 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  yes it does matter (none)
                          you don't think a majority matters on such votes????

                          until that dude can admit that the president wrote a letter to the senate saying he needed war powers authorization TO COMPLETE INSPECTIONS, i refuse to budge much of an inch in this matter.  i am sick to fucking death of the "theY voted for this war" thing.  it's fucking bullshit.  they did not vote to fire shinseki.  they did not vote to let baghdad get taken over by looters.  they did not vote for contracts to go to turkey.  they did not vote for unemployed iraqis.  they did not vote for a unilateral invasion.  they did not vote for fallujah.  and they did not vote for torture.

                          THEY DID NOT EVER FUCKING VOTE FOR THIS FUCKING WAR.  AND NEVER FUCKING FORGET THAT!!!!

                          "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                          by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:52:43 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  LIES (none)
                            THEY DID NOT EVER FUCKING VOTE FOR THIS FUCKING WAR.  AND NEVER FUCKING FORGET THAT!!!!

                            THEY GAVE BUSH UNRESTRICTED POWER TO MAKE WAR.

                            This is what they voted for:

                            The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--
                            (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

                            Everything else is irrelevant.

                            THEY LET THIS HAPPEN.  

                  •  That's easy (none)
                    The majority.  You are dodging the point.

                    If the Democrats voted for the war; if every Democrat - 29 of them - voted against the war WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, and 2000+ Americans and who knows how many Iraqi's would still be alive.

                    Don't excuse them, they don't deserve it, they have BLOOD on their hands.

                •  also (none)
                  it wasn't a vote on the war.

                  authorization of force to complete inspections.

                  "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                  by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:14:15 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  That's a lie (none)
                    LIE.  You are lying.

                    It was a vote for the war.  It specifically gave Bush the power to invade Iraq with no checks.

                    I quoted the text in this thread - it was clear and unambigious.

                    It gave Bush the power to use any force to "protect America from Iraq".  Period.

                    Don't lie anymore.

                    •  no. you are lying (none)
                      and i can back it up with the text of the resolution itself as well as bush's letter to congress.

                      You are a liar.

                      A shameless pathetic liar carrying water for the media who wants you to bring down the dems trying to find out the truth.

                      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                      by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:34:42 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  what was the name (none)
                        of the resolution?

                        Did it or did it not explicitly allow the President at his own discretion to make and sustain war at will against Iraq if he deemed it to be necessary to defend against a threat to national security?

                        They gave the man carte blanche knowing full well that he was going to use.

                        There is not one Senator who thought it wouldnt'come to war.

                        And you are a liar.

        •  so Phase II (none)
          will illuminate the fact that they were misled and deceived by manipulation of intelligence.

          Don't get me wrong, I think they were wrong for voting to authorize the war, but don't confuse what is going on here.

          "Once in awhile you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right."

          by Glic on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:42:56 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  thanks (none)
            it's a tiresome debate.  a debate that, no matter where you stand on it, brings us no closer to the truth.

            "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

            by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:58:05 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  no no no (none)
            They knew.  Everyone on dkos knew.  Everyone knew.  

            They knew, and they elected not to be skeptical.  

            They knew, and they elected to be spineless cowards.

            They knew, and put personal political ambition above the lives of troops, against the interests of the US, and against their voters wishes.

            I expect that type of cowardly garbage from the GOP.

            But I used to expect more from the Democrats.  

            •  do you want the war to end? (none)
              yes or no??

              "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

              by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:12:54 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  yes. (none)
                YES.

                And excusing the pro-War democrats isn't going to get that done.

                Make them fear for their political futures, and do it now.

                •  well then (none)
                  if you want the war to end.... get on board with this investigation.

                  your response to all of this forces me to conclude you want the dems to shut up.

                  YOU SHUT UP!!!!

                  "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                  by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:35:49 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  end it (none)
                    You are so fucking wrong.

                     I want them to SAY THEY WERE WRONG.  I want to them to SAY I AM SORRY.  I want them to SAY I WILL VOTE AGAINST THE WAR EVERYTIME I CAN.  

                    I want them to fillibuster or obstruct everything till they undo the mistake the best they can.

                    So far no sitting democratic senator who voted for the war has repented or expressed an opinion that they want it end NOW.

                    YOu can't move on till you FIX IT.

                    I want the investigation, who said anything like I dont want it?  

                    It's not enough, not nearly enough.

                    Investigate, whatever.  But end the war.  Enough TV and camera bullshit.  End it.

                •  Because lord knows... (none)

                  ...infighting has worked so well for the Democratic party thus far!

                  -fred

        •  NEVER EVER FORGET (none)
          blah blah.

          never forget if those exact same democrats were in the white house, the war would have never happened.

          the IWR was on authorization.  authorization bush said he needed NOT to go to war, but to complete inspections.  that's what they voted on.  never forget that.

          we need to get past this.  we have witnessed,... i hope... a turning point in democratic party aggressiveness.... we are witnessing a line being drawn.

          what you just said is exactly what rove and tweety want you to keep saying.

          look fwd.  

          "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

          by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:56:25 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  wrong (none)
            the IWR was on authorization.  authorization bush said he needed NOT to go to war, but to complete inspections.  that's what they voted on.  never forget that.
            That is fucking bullshit.  Every senator knew that the end game was war.  This is what the "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq" said:

            "The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

            we need to get past this.  we have witnessed,... i hope... a turning point in democratic party aggressiveness.... we are witnessing a line being drawn.
            We can get past it when the war is over!  The democrats who voted for this abomination of their platform and voters trust haven't paid anything in response to their capitulation.  

            what you just said is exactly what rove and tweety want you to keep saying.  look fwd.
            You are enabling Democrats to do whatever without fear of consequences.  John Fucking Kerry voted for a war that was absurdly falsely predicated.  John Fucking Kerry the anti-war protestor.  John Fucking Kerry the anti-war Senator.  John Fucking Kerry the man Michael Moore describes as the most liberal man in the Senate.

            I don't care if "Rove" wants me to blame Democrats.  THEY ARE TO BLAME.  Along with every GOP idiot who for the war, and Bush himself.  

            The vote was 77-23!  77-23!  Get it?  This is not just the GOPs war.  

            And they will continue to vote for it.  When Bush comes back for money will Clinton vote for it?  Kerry?  Reid?  

            You and the Democrats in the Senate are War Enablers.

            •  kerry voted against the 87 billion (3.00)
              meh.  your agenda of distraction.

              nice try.

              go call msnbc, tweety wants you on the show.

              "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

              by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:11:19 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  once (none)
                He did one time.  But go look at his record.. he voted for each and every other request for funding.

                And he refused to vote for it the infamous time because it was insufficently generous, not because he opposed the war.

                •  feingold voted against IWR (none)
                  then he voted for the 87 billion.

                  why is that???

                  you're incoherent.

                  "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                  by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:36:57 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Because he wanted the troops to have... (none)
                    ...body armor?  Voting no would not pull them out; it would just mean more would die.

                    Feingold, as usual, voted in the correct manner: No on the war, yes on the $87 billion.

                    •  i am responding to someone (none)
                      who seems to genuinely believe that voting to fund the war is not only tacit support but a statement of absolute approval of bush's war.  everything about it.

                      pls don't confuse my response to that point as some sort of actual ratification of such a retarded idea.  in and of itself.

                      i agree with you.

                      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                      by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 04:17:29 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

    •  Why TF do you care what Teet has to say? (none)

      "I'm not going to be your monkey"

      by gabie on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  he's a teet alright (none)
        and rove milks it.

        "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

        by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  About-face by Matthews (4.00)
          In one short week, we've seen Matthews go from frothing at the mouth over Rove's potential indictment to sucking Rove's cock on everything.
          So the obvious question:

          What does Rove have on Matthews and does it have something to do with the Plame Affair or something else?

          What's the clangor and the clamor? Throw BushCo in the slammer.

          by MissAnneThrope on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:17:18 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  How can they say if they are against the war yet (none)
      If they're not allowed to investigate the evidence and misleading actions done by this administration?
       
    •  Tweety lied about Kerry's current position (none)
      Last week - I thought it was a weekend event, so maybe week before last - John Kerry finally said he'd vote NO on the war resolution if he had the current info.  He also supports a drawdown with the last of our troops returning from Iraq by December 31, 2006.  This is the Feingold proposal.

      I thought I read someone reporting this on Kos, so I did not.  I know it from Feingold and reading a transcript of the Kerry speech after my surprise/delight.

      Tweety just said Kerry still won't back down.  This is a lie and I've had it with his lies.  I've written MSNBC viewer services until my computer knows who "v" is.  Hardball ratings are way down from years back.

      How can we axe Tweety altogether?

  •  Harry Reid is one very, very (4.00)
    smart and shrewed dude.  He got it right about Harriet Miers while everyone else was floundering around.  I'll never second-guess him again.
    •  right (none)
      I'll never second-guess him again.
      That's great.

      The guy makes a move - the political effect of which is not only unproven but dramatically untested - and you are ready to cede any critical thought or analysis.

      This is how we ended up with Daschle.

      •  Oh, allow a bit of hyperbolic joy, eh? n/t (4.00)

        "Insurrection is an art, and like all arts has its own laws." -- Trotsky

        by Myrrander on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:34:33 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Well, I think (none)
        you missed the gist of my comment.  Of course, I am not advocating blind obedience to anyone.  And my admiration for his perceptiveness is because of his early view on Miers--it appears she would have voted to uphold Roe as her 1993 speech that horried the wingers shows.  Reid figured all that out by his own ability to size up people and situations.

        I am just saying that when it comes to playing an insider's game, one should give his views and tactics a great deal of deference.

      •  I'm definitely against blind hero-worship (none)
        but Reid has absolutely shown himself to be street-fightin' smart.

        "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

        by jbeach on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:52:37 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  One Great Move! (none)
        I find it proven already by its obvious truth, and deserving of intellectual acclaim by its shrewdness and timing.

        Great job, Harry!

        "Daddy, what did you do in Bush Two?

        by omfreebogart on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:14:07 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Oh get off your high horse already (none)
        n/t

        Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

        Feingold for President

        by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:45:39 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  yep (none)
      i have no doubt that the dem leadership had this up their sleeves for at least a few days.

      nobody was sure who bush would nominate for the SCOTUS, especially after being burned by his own party (he is, after all, a very spiteful man).  reid and co. probably had several options in the wing, and this one was for the case where bush nominates a hard-right, well-qualified judge looking for a fight.

      so they drop this, keeping the focus on the pre-war intel and the plame issue, i/e/ the bush admin's fuckups.

      alcohol and night swimming. it's a winning combination!-l.leonard

      by chopper on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:01:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  asfd (none)
    DELAY JUDGE REMOVED.

    Someone just said the opposite, but CSPAN just said he was removed. ???

    you make me lose my buttons oh yeah, you make me spit; I don't like my clothes anymore...

    by Jaffa on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:51:58 PM PST

  •  yeah (none)
    I'll donate every week if they keep this shit up. Best news I've seen in some time.

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:52:59 PM PST

  •  Harry is the Man (none)
    And the reason why the leadership shouldn't have presidential ambitions. Dascle was a good guy, but his seeking higher office got in the way of stepping on toes.
    •  The fact that North Dakota is a red state... (none)
      ...and Daschle's seat was never safe probably had more to do with it than ambition for higher office.

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

      by expatjourno on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:14:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, Nevada isn't too blue, either.... (none)
        ... but Reid has shown consistently good instincts regarding when to fight and when not to. Daschele never really seemed to figure that out.
        •  Nevada (none)
          Is a lot bluer then ND. What was the spread Bush won by there? With in five points? It's a very light red state, with a blue trend. It's not comparable to ND at all.

          Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

          Feingold for President

          by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:49:05 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Nevada is among the bluest, now (none)
          The state was 5 points redder than Florida in 2000 but was 3 points bluer than Florida in 2004.  Had the national popular vote been even slightly more in our favor, Nevada would have been blue.  Las Vegas has been the fastest growing U.S. City for years now.  Assuming a tight presidential race, Nevada will likely swing blue in 2008, and will only continue to become bluer throught the next few decades.  The Southwest is gradually becoming ground zero in battleground American presidential politics.  New Mexico was the first to fall to our side; Nevada and Colorado will be next, followed by Arizona and ultimately Texas.
          Gotta love demographics.  
  •  Yes. Because when Bush (4.00)
    landed on that aircraft carrier in full military pilot regalia, that wasn't a political stunt.

    In fact, this whole "let's introduce a product in the fall" war wasn't one great, big political stunt.

    And using the very disaster Bush created to argue, in 2004, against "changing horses in midstream" wasn't a political stunt.

    Conservatism is killing us

    by grushka on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:53:22 PM PST

  •  Active, not Passive. Very nice. (4.00)
    Reid forcing this closed session and George Miller forcing the floor vote on the Davis-Bacon act last week. Love it!
  •  I just went to Reid's website (4.00)
    at http://reid.senate.gov/
    and sent Sen. Harry Reid a letter of support, saying, "Keep on the offensive, and don't let up until we have removed this lying, criminal, un-American administration from office."

    I want to see these lying, murdering cowards' blood. (didn't include that in the message)

    •  So did I. Mine went like (none)
      Dear Sen. Reid,

       I want to commend you and thank you from the bottom of my heart for your actions today in the Senate.

       Speaking as a American and a veteran, I am deeply disturbed, and even, offended by the actions of the administration and the 'majority' party as a whole. It has become apparent that GOP does not wish to govern, they simply want to rule. For them to now complain about being 'pushed back' is the classic cry of a schoolyard bully.

       Senator Reid, I believe it is NOW time to FIGHT. No one wanted things to progress to this point, but you can only 'turn the other cheek' so many times. Please, PLEASE keep up the pressure. It is long past time to play nice.

       We didn't want this war, but it has been shoved in our face. I say we empty the clip into 'em.

      Brakes are for pussies - Big Johnson

      by The Other ones on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:53:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's mine (none)
      Dear Senator Reid

      Thank you for finally forcing the Republican-controlled Senate to take up the matter of pre-war intelligence. It's sad that such extraordinary measures were needed to compel certain Senators to address the issue of the reasons America went to war. Thank God we still have leaders in government who take their responsibility to the American people seriously.

      Keep it up.

      Respectfully-

      -[Goldfish]

      I also CCed this message to Senator Durbin (who I'm proud to say is my Senator). He seconded the motion, so we should all show him some love too.

      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

      Feingold for President

      by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:06:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  asdf (none)
    If there is nothing to hide then what are the Republicans afraid of?  The American people deserve the truth.
  •  Shot across the bow (4.00)
    This is a message to the White House on Alito. Dems aren't rolling over.
  •  They wanted a culture war.... (4.00)
    and a fight for future of America... they smeared people, outed an undercover intelligence asset for partisan gain, threatned the existence of the filibuster if people who disagree with them don't lie down and bow before them....

    but they are going to whine and blubber like scared little children when called out?

    -well, its on. Give 'em hell, Harry!

    Hypocrisy is the intellectual cornerstone of American conservatism.

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:53:59 PM PST

  •  Frist the Hypocrite (4.00)
    "Frist whined, "Senator Daschle never did anything like this." Damn right. A new sheriff is in town."

    Frist campaigned in SD against Daschle.  Never before had a sitting Majority/Minority Leader campaigned in state against his counterpart.  Fuck you Frist.

    •  Well (none)
      In a sense though, we should be thanking Frist for campaigning against Daschle.  Daschle's loss was a blessing in disguise for the Democrats.  I mean after all, if Dashcle didn't lose, Reid would not be the Democratic leader today, and Frist wouldn't be getting his dues.
      •  You are damned right about that (none)
        Daschle was the biggest wuss that ever was.

        I couldn't believe when the GOP went after him, because he was the best thing they had going for them.  They should have (from their POV) donated money to his campaign and run Harriet Miers against him, in order to keep him in the Senate.

        And one of their people sent him anthrax, too.  how dumb was THAT?

        If Daschle was the Minority Leader still, the Dems would still all be wusses.

  •  Yelling at the top of my lungs (4.00)
    this is EXACTLY what they need to do!  And it is ABOUT fucking time they stood up and got their balls back.

    "September 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country." Judge Gerald Tjoflat

    by SanJoseLady on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:54:08 PM PST

  •  Call or email your Senator... (3.75)
    PLEASE WRITE YOUR DEMOCRATIC SENATOR NOW!!!!!

    I am sure Rove has his brown shirts in action.  They TV media clones are already sympathetic to Frist's angry rant.  Support your representatives actions.

    Just glad Rosa Parks is out of the lobby:-)

  •  This is absolutely beautiful (none)
    This is the best thing I've seen since November 2002. I just watched the replay of Frist, Santorum, Lott and another senator on c-span... and judging by their reaction, they are ruffled to say the least. And then Frist refusing to answer why the report has not been released to the minority, and Santorum chiming in in the background with something like 'that's not the issue'. Fuck yeah, it's the issue! And it's about goddamned time someone said something.

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

    by johnny71 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:55:06 PM PST

  •  Frist is an idiot (4.00)
    If Frist wishes Dasch was still in the Senate, maybe he shouldn't have flown to SD last year and campaigned against him.  Talk aout backstabbing...
    •  Exactly what I was thinking... (none)
      He's lost it entirely.  (I'm actually giddy with glee at seeing so very apoplectic.)

      Oh Louisiana, oh Louisiana They're trying to wash us away, oh Lord, they're trying to wash us away

      by lalo456987 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:01:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Harry Reid (none)
    Who knew?
    He's the Man.

    I cna't believe the DeLay judge was removed. Earle should move to recuse each and every Republican judge in Texas.

    "Mommy, did people know that Bush was stupid when they voted for him?"

    by litigatormom on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:56:51 PM PST

  •  Shades of LBJ? (4.00)
    Ya know, for all that the Vietnam fiasco is a stain on his legacy, LBJ sure knew how to twist the right arms to get what he wanted, starting in his days in the Congressional leadership.

    I just wish Pelosi could take a few cues from "Hang 'Em High" Harry.

    PolisPundit - An Agenda for a New Liberalism

    by goblue72 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:56:54 PM PST

  •  ABOOOT Time! (none)
    Rep. Rationale says that lying about intelligence matters judging by their arguments against Wilson. Funny how they oppose real investigations into the matter.

    Hey Red State, how's it feel to get probed.

  •  "If we were deceived then someone ought to (4.00)
    have their fingernails torn out!" stated Jack Cafferty on CNN as he commented on that the senate closed session to investigate the Iraq pre-war intelligence, and basically said it should be investigated.

    No one can make you feel inferior without your consent - Eleanor Roosevelt

    by PAbluestater on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:57:18 PM PST

  •  CNN (none)
    I am here at school while my kiddos are at recess, and had CNN on the television.  The guy/commentator (his name escapes me) on Wolf's show just gave the best comments I have heard on this whole thing.  If anyone else heard this please post it.  His words were amazing, and put the ruthugs in their place.
  •  The Republicans changed the subject (4.00)
    from TreasonGate to the Supreme Court and Harry Reid just changed it back again.

    Great move Harry, God bless you.

    "If you don't want to fight for the future and you can't figure out how to beat these people then find something else to do." BILL CLINTON, Sat Oct 29, 2005

    by DriftawayNH on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:58:15 PM PST

  •  Jack McCafferty on CNN just reamed (4.00)
    BushCo a new one.  The man was on a jag!  He says the need for info on pre-war intelligence is critical.

    So, it looks like some in the MSM are not cowered by BushCo anymore.

    Good for Jack.

    The rhetoric of the right wing is being fixed around the policy of disinformation.

    by MoronMike on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:58:21 PM PST

    •  Make that "Jack Cafferty" Sorry. (none)

      The rhetoric of the right wing is being fixed around the policy of disinformation.

      by MoronMike on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:11:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Cafferty is a smart ass (none)
        And I love him. He's the one who asked if Karl Rove had been indicted yet about a month ago. Wolfie had no idea how to answer that.

        They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

        by melthewriter on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:15:45 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  i recall delay, was it rove too? (none)
          he asked that in re to wolf about 4 days before the indictment was issued....... if he said same about Rove I missed that..

          "This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined." - President Bush, 9/26/02

          by TaraIst on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:22:05 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Daschle was a WIMP and a FOOL (none)
    That's why he never did anything like this.

    Goddamn that idiot!!  He and Democrats like him are largely responsible for the fact that BushCo and the GOP were able to gain so many seats in Congress and why they were able to get away with so much during these past few years.

    What a goddamnned FOOL!!!

    Fuck him.  I'm GLAD he's out of the Senate.

    Hopefully what Reid did today signals a REAL turning point, and not just "red meat" theatrics meant to please the Dem base.

    •  Good Riddance and stay gone for 08. (none)
      I agree wholeheartedly.

      Daschle will be forever epitomized by the scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where he is sitting with Gephardt waiting for the phone to ring, at the very moment the GOP was fighting for it's life in my state.

      --Liberate your radio--

      by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:02:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Please stop... (4.00)
      Dascle was an honorable, decent man trying to be honorable and decent to be people who have no honor and no decency.

      Explore "Brent's Brain" at http://www.brenthartinger.com

      by BrentHartinger on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:18:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Have a four (4.00)
        No more savaging of Western democrats. Daschle had his failings, but he was a decent man.  Times are different now. Who knows, maybe he would be more bold now.  

        Reid may be tougher and smarter and a better majority leader.  But I still feel bad about Daschle losing to that synthetic Captain America action figure, Thune.  

        •  Have two (none)
          I'm glad that Daschle is no longer our Senate minority leader, but I'm very unhappy that he's no longer in the Senate.
        •  He was a decent man (none)
          But a lousy Senate majority leader. So lousy, he went back to being a Senate Minority Leader very quickly, which he was even worse at. The damage his leadership (or lack there of) did to the Democratic Party is hard to measure, but it is extensive.

          Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

          Feingold for President

          by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:17:25 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Why Reid Closed the Session (4.00)
    This is why Harry Reid forced the Senate into a closed session.

    Republican Chairman Pat Roberts on the Phase 2 Report on possible Bush White House manipulation of Iraq WMD intelligence:

    • "I don't think there should be any doubt that we have now heard it all regarding prewar intelligence. I think that it would be a monumental waste of time to replow this ground any further."  (March 31, 2005)

    • "To go though that exercise, it seems to me, in a post-election environment--we didn't see how we could do that and achieve any possible progress. I think everybody pretty well gets it." (March 31, 2005)

    • "[Phase 2] is basically on the back burner." (March 10, 2005)

    For the full story, see:

    "Fitzgerald, Iraq and the Truth About Pre-War Intelligence."

  •  Why haven't I received a CNN breaking (none)
    news email?  I got one when Johnny Unitas died.  
  •  Moderate Republican Representatives (none)
    should step up to the plate and split from their party.

    I wish it wasn't a closed session.  I wish I could hear it and watch it.

  •  Keeping treason in the news (4.00)
    Looks like the Alito and bird flu song and dance aren't going to succeed in changing what the compliant corporate media cover. Sending the Senate into closed session every day, followed by the requisite crying and whining from the GOP, will keep the questions of treason as a top story.

    It's a shame, really, that Reid and the Democrats aren't adhering to the Senate traditions of collegiality and sticking to the gentlemen's agreements on how to conduct business. Oh wait, no it isn't. The GOP have been treating the Democrats in the Senate like crap for almost five full years. The GOP are the ones who threw tradition out the window. Since they haven't been willing to consult the minority party on anything it's about time the Democrats teach the GOP a lesson about how much power the minority party can exert in the Senate.

  •  We've secretly replaced your 'opposition party' (4.00)
    with a real opposition party.

    "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

    by jorndorff on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM PST

  •  Bam! First thing that crossed my mind - (4.00)
    Was that Harry Reid was giving the GOP a tasty appetizer of what the senate will look like if they use the nuclear option.  

    The last two days, GOP senators like DeWine and Frist have been escalating their tone about the nuclear option, in an apparrent intimidation effort to silence weak-kneed Dems.
    Give them hell Harry!

    (also, file this away somewhere close, for the next time the small group of Self-Loathing liberals write another "Where are the Dems?/The Dems have no ideas!" - type diary)

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:59:29 PM PST

    •  Heh (none)
      I'm sure we'll see some diaries before the end of the evening on how Reid really blew this, it was the wrong thing to do, etc etc, Democrats aren't doing enough...you know the song and dance.

      [America]Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke?

      by hstokes on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:02:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  A Closed Session Every Day (4.00)
    Yeah!! Yippee!! We get to put the spotlight right on this corrupt GOP Regime.  Everyday it will be in the News until they get to the bottom of this ugly, sick mess. Americans who haven't been paying much attention, will find out the truth.  

    I love Harry Reid.  Wheee!!!!!

    •  "I Wonder How Much Longer They'll (none)
      put up with this guff?" --Bugs Bunny

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:15:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I hope some of those (none)
    who criticize Randi Rhodes were listening today. Talk about on top of it. Accurate, in-depth analysis within minutes.

    o/t Faux say Libby was indicted "for not being forthcoming." Perjury as shyness? Minor social gaffe?

  •  asdf (4.00)
    Frist whined, "Senator Daschle never did anything like this."

    If you wanted Daschle to stay on as minority leader, you shouldn't have campaigned against him, you dumb fucks.

  •  after today is it safe to say..... (none)
    Countdown to a Democratic Senate and
    Countdown to a Democratic House?

    Better yet...if there is enough pressure...we might have a Democratic Senate by the end of the year.  I could see 6 of the more moderates becoming independents.  wouldn't that be great.  I bet this site would have 1 million hits an hour then.

    Blue is the most popular color

    by jalapeno on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:01:49 PM PST

    •  Not at all (none)
      We have some extremely difficult fights to fight, and massive amounts of work to do. We have not just 06, but 08 to kill ourselves over winning in, and not letting up even if we manage a toe-hold until the "conservatives" of the modern GOP Fright-WingTM variety are politically dead for all times in this nation.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:01:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kit Bond is on C-Span2 right now (none)
    Saying Valerie Plame sent Joe Wilson to Niger blah blah blah, Joe Wilson got what he deserved blah blah blah.

    "If you don't want to fight for the future and you can't figure out how to beat these people then find something else to do." BILL CLINTON, Sat Oct 29, 2005

    by DriftawayNH on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:02:37 PM PST

  •  The media clones are upset... (4.00)
    ...because this wasn't in today's "list of things you will say" that was faxed from Karl this morning.

    They are having to improvise on the fly. They hate it when things go off-script.

    (This is a really brilliant move on Reid's part: push the pre-war intelligence misuse issue and give the Republicans a taste of the post-nuclear world all in one move.)

    "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

    by Mad Dog Rackham on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:02:38 PM PST

    •  You think they are upset (none)
      Frist and his band of merry men are flapping around spewing anything that comes to mind because they don't have their talking points either.

      It's been a long time since they had to think on their own.

      Alito is Extraordinary.

      by NYC Sophia on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:17:04 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's a good day to make a contribution (none)
    I just posted a contribution as my way of sending a message of approval.

    https:/www.democrats.org/page/contribute

    •  Money Always Talks (none)
      If this became the single biggest day for contributions we might be able to encourage a Pavlovian response. Every time you stand up and speak out for our rights, everytime you outfox the Rethugs with political maneuvers, every time you bring the news media back to the real news, we will reward you. Personally, I think they'd get the message.
  •  Santorum's Telling Gaffe (4.00)
    After Frist, Lott, and Kyl spoke, Santorum came to the mike and made an interesting gaffe.

    While fuming about the Democrats' move, Santorum was trying to say that the Democrats' move was just a stunt to avoid fiscal discipline.  He said:

    "...They just don't get that we're trying to do less with with more. They just don't get it..."

    A perfect summation of the Republican domestic platform.


    The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur. -- GW Bush to PM Tony Blair Snopes "debunk": Not Persuasive

    by PJBurke on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM PST

  •  Frist (4.00)
    said he was "slapped in the face".....no, you were BITCH slapped, baby!!!!
  •  If you care about this CALL REID (4.00)
    If you think this strategy is a good one, spend a couple of bucks and call one of Reid's offices and talk to a real, live staffer.

    The offices in Nevada are easier to reach than the DC office.

    Carson City
    600 East Williams Street, #302
    Carson City, NV 89701
    Phone: 775-882-7343 / Fax: 775-883-1980
    Link to Yahoo Maps

    Las Vegas
    Lloyd D. George Building
    333 Las Vegas Boulevard South, Suite 8016
    Las Vegas, NV 89101
    Phone: 702-388-5020 / Fax: 702-388-5030
    Link to Yahoo Maps

    Reno
    Bruce R. Thompson Courthouse and Federal Building
    400 South Virginia Street, Suite 902
    Reno, NV 89501
    Phone: 775-686-5750 / Fax: 775-686-5757

    Washington
    528 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Phone: 202-224-3542 / Fax: 202-224-7327

    Toll Free for Nevadans: 1-866-SEN-REID (736-7343) -Restricted to calls originating from area codes 775 and 702-

  •  Pat Buchanan is doing a good job on this (none)
    on MSNBC right now.

    Also, might be a good time to give Harry Reid a spike in his ratings here at New Political Review website.  (Lifted from the earlier thread.)

    He's #37, he deserves a spike for this very interesting move.  A little creativity and spunk.  I like it, others do, too.

    •  Yes, he was great (none)
      I heard that conversation, and of all things, Pat's really got it right on this one!

      You are awareness, disguised as a person - Eckhart Tolle

      by steelman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  rankings (none)
      Also, might be a good time to give Harry Reid a spike in his ratings here at New Political Review website.  (Lifted from the earlier thread.)

      I was not aware of the precious thread, and this ranking is new to me; however, did anyone notice that the Senators are divided into parties and that Joe Lieberman is grouped with the Republicans? It gave me a chuckle.

      The worst crimes were dared by a few, willed by more and tolerated by all. ~Tacitus

      by casey b on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:18:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  while your at it (none)
      please rate Santorum down.  He is now at 74 and he used to be at 99 or 100.  

      Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.- George Orwell

      by LisaZ on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:37:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kit Bond is a LIAR (4.00)
    Bond is saying that there is no need for Roberts to have hearings because Fizgerald is investigating the use of intelligence.

    LIE

    Fitz is specifically not looking at the use of intelligence to go to war.  He is narrowly focused on criminality in the White House.  It is Roberts' responsibility to investigate the LIES AND DECEPTIONS that got us into Iraq.

  •  kos (4.00)
    Can you bump this diary back to the top, since the whole point of the exercise was to change the topic back to national security issues?
  •  What I love about this meme: (none)
    It's saying "bringing it bitch." If the right thought those on the left were going to lay down to be screwed- this says we can dish as good as we get. For that, Reid is to be applauded.
  •  kos ,here are the key Roberts quotes (4.00)
    March 10, 2005

    Phase II is 'basically on the back burner.' link

    March 31, 2005

    "I don't think there should be any doubt that we have now heard it all regarding prewar intelligence. I think that it would be a monumental waste of time to replow this ground any further." link

  •  Fists and Elbows (none)
    Senate Democrats are discovering they have them.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:05:55 PM PST

  •  Which Republican... (none)
    ...had the idea to target Tom Daschle? Oh how they must wish they could rethink that one.
  •  Fuck The Nazis! (4.00)
    The GODDAMN GOP started this shit and it high time we Dems fucking finish it! They wanna fight? Fine Lets give 'em a goddamn FIGHT! My country has been hijacked by a gang of LIARs, CHEATS AND HYPACRITICAL BASTARDS!, and I'm fucking SICK of it. These jackasses think the 'Days of Rage' were bad, these fuckwads haven't seen anything yet.

    Brakes are for pussies - Big Johnson

    by The Other ones on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:06:50 PM PST

  •  Even Pat Buchanan is behind Reid (4.00)
    Pat was against the war, so he sympathizes with the cause, but it's significant that a partisan like Buchanan is praising Reid.

    He's correct that the Dems failed in the duty in 2002 when they had the initial vote, but it's now clear that the evidence for war was manufactured.

    This is THE issue facing this country. It's about time that the Dems are uniting on this. The GOP has lied about finally conducting an investigation.

    Meanwhile, it's actually hilarious to see Frist whine about being "slapped in the face." He deserves much more than that.

    Gerardo - www.orlandoreport.com

    by orlandoreport on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:06:56 PM PST

  •  Durbin (none)
    Durbin said that the repugs should be prepared to see this every single day that the senate is in session.

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:06 PM PST

    •  Durbin needs calls... (none)
      He's a good man, and usually courageous.  But... he's been known to back down if the media pounds him.

      Remember the way he got railroaded for comparing US use of torture to the Nazis?  He didn't do that exactly, and he should have come back swinging. Instead he apologized.

      So call him or fax him:  
      (202) 224-2152
      (202) 228-0400 - fax

      •  I've been trying to get through to Harry Reid's (none)
        office for several hours now. Voice mail is full and staff lines are busy.  I'll give Durbin a call too--thanks for the reminder!!

        "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

        by dmac on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:05:27 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I sent him e-mail (none)
        I think I'll give his Chicago office a call tomorrow  as well (it's a local call for me; I'd have to burn phone card minuts to call the DC office).

        Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

        Feingold for President

        by Goldfish on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:31:59 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  You've gotta wonder............. (4.00)
    .......whether Big Dog Bill's recent statement to a gathering in Texas that the Dems had better start fighting or go do something else might have had some influence. Sure, Harry(one of my personal favorites) doesn't "need" anyone to give him a go-ahead, but having an ex-pres like Bill Clinton make a public call for his party to cowboy up had to help. Ex-presidents don't do that sort of thing. Let's hope the momentum not only continues, but grows.
    •  ya got that right hillbilly! (none)
      I just wanted to say that ;)

      If Rove concealed the fact that he was a leaker from the President, why hasn't the President fired him?

      by wintersnowman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:17:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'm sure it did (none)
      it basically set them all on notice that fighting was not going to stop the party campaign money.

      You know that's what they're all scared of -- they'll get called obstructionist, not cooperative, blah blah, and the corporations and the party will turn off the money.

      Clinton basically told them that it was safe to fight. That the party would be behind them.

      That we had their backs.

      I suspect that Bush I isn't happy either. I can't imagine he likes this situation. His son screwing up this bad, bankrupting the country, destroying the military -- it has to make him sick.

      So I wonder if he said something to Clinton about why didn't the Dems put up more of a fight? That would explain the remarks too.

    •  It's been awhile... (none)
      ...since we've had an ex-President as young as Bill Clinton is.
  •  I called (none)
    my Democratic senators supporting Senator Reid's statement and closing sessions of the Senate and investigating the Bush Adminstration's misuse of power and failure to provide us with national security.

    It's more fun to call, if you have the nickel!

  •  Cspan...just announced (none)
    that the Senate would return to open session shortly. (it's 4:04pm edt as I write this)

    After resuming: both Roberts and Rockefeller (leader and minority leader respectively of the senate intelligence committee) will speak.

    I'm hoping for fireworks.

    Oh Louisiana, oh Louisiana They're trying to wash us away, oh Lord, they're trying to wash us away

    by lalo456987 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:09:32 PM PST

  •  who let the dogs out? (none)
    Harry did?

    What is the phrase?

    "Cry havok and lets slip the dogs of war."

    I know its Shakespeare but I can't help it, I am thinking Star Trek.

  •  Is this a signal to others in the government (4.00)
    ... (CIA, State, military) that, "We have your back."

    Reid's statement highlighted the people who lost their jobs for disagreeing with this administartion, including weapons inspectors, General Shinseki, and, of course, Valerie Plame.

    Come on out, folks.  You have an armed escort.

  •  Great move (none)
    Bush nominates Scalito to take the attention off Plamegate. It works.

    One day later: Reid calls a special session, bringing the attention not just to Plamegate, by why Plamegate happened in the first place. It works.

  •  BOO-YAH (none)
    Just gave $25 I don't have to the DSCC.
    •  Heh heh (none)
      Just gave $25 I don't have to the DSCC.

      That's a very Republican way to donate!

      No offense intended. I just like the irony.

      "A shark on whisky is pretty risky; A shark on beer is a beer engineer." - Space Ghost

      by Gaska on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:39:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Reid Is Essentially Forcing the Republicans (none)
    to begin ruling the nation outright--by using the Nuke and similarly changing other rules so that they can rule by themselves as long as they hold a majority--or else back down and resume including the minority in government.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:14:12 PM PST

  •  The budget (none)
    Republicans are trying to pass a budget that would cuts food stamps, Medicaid, student loans, and a bunch of other safety net programs. This move also plays into the budget: by calling these special sessions, he keeps delaying the budget until it's politically impossible for the Republicans to pass it (it's already almost off the rails). Talk about strategic thinking...kill at least two birds with one stone.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

    by vawolf on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:14:39 PM PST

  •  Democratic triumph, media failure. (none)
    I am SO PROUD of our democratic leadership today.  This is a bold move.  Give 'em HELL HARRY!

    BUT, we need to focus on how the media is handling the situation.  When Levin was giving Q&A, the questions were recycled GOP talking points, especially from one female reporter.  However, when Frist answered questions, only one reporter had the stones to ask a question about the substance of the session.

    To the dem's credit, they handled the GOP spin questions with grace.

  •  my Senator's office (none)
    Called Schumer's office and was on hold for about 10 minutes. Hopefully he's getting lots of positive calls. When they answered I said "YYYYYAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!......"
  •  REID!!! I could kiss you right now! (none)
    This is how you lead!  The focus of Congress should be squarely on Iraq, the failure of prewar intelligence and how the Bush Administration made the worst strategic blunder in our nation's history.

    If Rove concealed the fact that he was a leaker from the President, why hasn't the President fired him?

    by wintersnowman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:15:04 PM PST

  •  Republicans Better Be Careful (none)
    If I remember correctly, it's a serious felony to talk about what went on in a closed session.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:15:27 PM PST

  •  PLEASE thank Senator Reid (none)
    here:
    http://giveemhellharry.com/...

    I posted this link on the closed session thread, but it's comment 40X, so i thought more of you would see it here. Apologies for the repeat, but it is really impt to support "give 'em hell harry* right now.
    thanks

  •  Go Harry go!! Represent the majority of Americans! (none)
    Finally .... and I hope to see no retreat from Harry Reid. EVERY DAY!  EVERY DAMN DAY!  I want to know what else the White House lied about to take us to war and sacrifice over 2000 American soldiers' over.

    I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!

  •  Missouri (none)
    Oh, and Kit Bond was lying about Wilson to the media.  Missourians should not stand for it.  I'm from that state (although I've moved), and this man does NOT represent the people of my state.

    Oh, and it's Missouri Kit, not Missour-uh.  In the dictionary, it says "colloquial" next to the second pronounciation.

  •  Trent Lott Whine-o-riffic (none)
    Great stuff from CNN.com's story:

    Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, said Reid was making "some sort of stink about Scooter Libby and the CIA leak."

    -Wahhhhhh. They still want to find out about the lies and the cover-up and the war.

    "In addition, Lott said, Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent. But there was nothing in Senate rules enabling Republicans to thwart Reid's effort."
    -Wahhhhh. They won't let up screw them over. They're supposed to let us win everything. Wahhhh.

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:18:31 PM PST

  •  It's about time we went on the offensive (none)
    Instead of letting the frauds frame the debate. We need effective advocates eloquently stating the case against the Bush slime, sell outs, corruption and illegalities every day. Too long it seems many the dems have lain in the weeds and let the thugs repeat the same lies over and over until people believe them. America has a conscience but it's gotten numb over the past few years. It's time to wake up the country and call the bastard out into the open. Once the light of day hits them, they can only fade away if we keep hitting them with the truth and exposing their lies.
  •  I'm an amazed that the President's office (none)
    (although I really shouldn't be)sent a 4 sentence reply to a letter signed by 40 Senators. What absolute arrogance.

    JAMES MADISON:"Liberty cannot long endure in a country in a permanent state of war."

    by rofodem on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:21:23 PM PST

  •  Schumer (none)
    is saying it looks like they are reaching an agreement but that the Republicans are in there "name calling" He said that's a common thread.
  •  well i have one question, (none)
    while i'm euphoric about reid's latest move, where does reid "promised to call a special session in the Senate every single day until Republicans alllow for a real investigation." ?

    The Bill of Rights, and not the Ten Commandments, is what should be on the our federal buildings

    by chinkoPelinke on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:24:18 PM PST

  •  To Quote Arivsis from Americablog (none)
    "Now THIS is my party!"

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:24:31 PM PST

  •  Imagine how pissed off Karl Rove is! (none)
    Our Dem Senate leader stopped the news cycle Rove worked so hard on in its tracks! Poor Bush's brain just went dead! Yesterday was a new Supreme Court nominee..so we would forget about the indictments..today it was bird flu..I guess the tax proposals were next. It ain't gonna happen Karl, because each and everyday Reid will close the Senate down until Bush fires your ass.

    Harry Reid,Howard Dean, and the Dem Senators employed a great tactic today. I suspect there are other tactics just like today's, waiting in the wings.

  •  Time for a live thread (none)
    While some of us watch Harry give 'em hell!

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:26:31 PM PST

  •  Brilliant if he really does it. (none)
    "The Democratic leadership has promised to call a special session in the Senate every single day until Republicans alllow for a real investigation."

    I'll believe it when I see it.

  •  OK. It is (none)

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:27:41 PM PST

  •  Rock 'em Sock 'em Reid (none)
    Let us not forget Reid's boxing background.  Smart boxers (as opposed to punchers) don't like to get hit, so they feint and block and rely on footwork to create openings, and when an opportunity arises, they go for the kill.

    The Repuglicans just got one hell of an uppercut on the chin from the Mormon Mauler, along with a promise of more to come.

    About fucking time.

    Now it's our turn to show our Senators support, via money, letters to them and to editors, and every other way we can.  Courage must be rewarded, momentum must be built, OUR COUNTRY MUST BE SAVED!!!

  •  Dkos doesnt get it (none)
    The truth has no bearing on the spin and the perception created.

    Look how NBC is spinning this already

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

    The frontpage grabber is the Republicans outrage at the "stunt".. not that Dems are calling for accountability

    •  What did you expect? (none)
      The Wurlitzer plays on.  The difference is, this time we're actually fighting back.

      Are you suggesting Reid's made a mistake?

      •  lower the gun ---this is a conversation (none)
        I am saying that your average dumb ass american that doesnt eat this shit for breakfast like us will see their trusty NBC News spin and say "politics as usual" and tune back out..

        Am I glad hes doing it? yes DO I think that MSM and their pundits will do everything to make it a political  stunt yes ...

    •  There is something subtle there, though... (none)
      GOP leaders blast DEMS for looking into IRAQ INTEL?  Me thinks they doth protest too much.

      "[A] 'Sharecropper's Society' [is] precisely where our trade policies, supported by Republicans and Democrats alike, are taking us." - Warren Buffet

      by RichM on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:34:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly (none)
        the Repubs just looked utterly silly trying to take that stance, and it wasn't just to me because I already think they are.

        As someone said, they're useless without their talking points. Let's remember to surprise the hell out of them more often, they use their own words when that happens.

      •  I like that headline (none)
        What average American is going to read that and think badly of Dems? They'll think "what's wrong with looking at intel?"
    •  No, diagnosing a woman in a persistent veg. state (none)
      via a 30 second video tape, flying the President in to sign a law enacted for one specific person (Terry Schaivo) which is a no no, in order to toss a bone to the Fright-WingTM psychotic fringe anti-reality wing-nuts which is their base... is a fucking "stunt"

      And to do so while this administration fucks our nation over royally on the world stage with the worst strategic blunder in our history and then compromising national security to exact revenge on someone who was rightly questioning the manufactured and fraudulent rationales for launch said blunder (Iraq invasion) is borderline criminal in my book.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:52:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Via Americablog (none)
      CNN's Bill Schneider: "This is a revolt, Wolf." Now a paraphrase: "it's a signal to the Republican majority, if the Republicans even think of trying to take away the filibuster, the Democrats are saying 'look what we can do.'"

      CNN's Jack Cafferty: "The Democrats got that bird flu new conference out of the news in about four hours. They smelled blood... first White House staffer indicted in 135 years... was there a nuclear weapons program? Were there chemical and biological weapons?... the 9/11 commission made a whole list of recommendations, many of which have been ignored by the administration, the senate intelligence committee has promised an investigation, which is hasn't done."

      I think its getting out there......ya' gotta love that bird flu quote

      you scratch a redneck and you will find a liberal underneath.....

      by Schtu on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:59:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  so these fuckers have been (none)
    screaming "nuclear option" for a year now and they want to complain about "it's just not done that way?!"

    fuck them all

    "Insurrection is an art, and like all arts has its own laws." -- Trotsky

    by Myrrander on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:30:02 PM PST

  •  Aassault? (none)
    Demanding that the Senate hold itself accountable and demanding the party in power in the Senate close a session and demand tough answers and accountability of itself and its obligations as oversight of an out-of-control executive branch is not an "assault" Kos.

    Really poor choice of words (yes well aware trying to summit a mountain top and other non-threatening uses of the word are used).

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:30:06 PM PST

  •  Okay do you people believe me now? (none)
    He's not my Senator, but Harry Reid is a true American patriot.

    Defeat Kay Bailey Hutchinson in 2006

    by txbirdman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:30:52 PM PST

  •  I can't watch it now (none)
    But I feel like dancing in my office. this is a great day!

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:32:49 PM PST

  •  Ladies and Gents.... (none)
    May I presend Your next President, Harry Reid, (How do you like the sound of that rush/o'lieley???)
  •  Frist had to CAVE!!!!!! (none)
    What do you have on him Harry?

    "I'm not going to be your monkey"

    by gabie on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 01:35:51 PM PST

  •  Impeach Bush As A War Criminal! (none)
    What you say the Democrats are finally positioning themselves to be able to say, "We were lied to.  We would NEVER have voted to let Our Boy George have the say about going to war if we knew he was a liar".

    This is about their only gambit.  It took them forever to realize it.  Now they have the wingnuts in thier chops they better NOT let go.  They need to worry this things until the entire military is home from Iraq.

    And, Our Boy George is behind bars!

  •  Something about Harry! (none)
    For the first time in five years -
    • past the war of the chads in 2000
    • past the horror of the 2001 inauguration
    • past the horror of 9/11's horrible aftermath, the peddling of Air-Force 1 mementos, the politicization of the recovery, et al
    • past the Enron and energy failures, and the secret MP meeting with the Oil industry
    • past the buildup the senseless war
    • past the senseless whitewash investigation
    • past the 2004 campaign - the swiftboat lies, the mockery of the debates
    • past the 2005 inauguration
    • past Katrina, and her sisters

    PRIDE at last!
    That there exists a single man worth some gumption! that can look these crooks in their eyes, and call their bluff. Get them to jail,  Harry!
  •  Good. (none)
    Ya know, for all the disagreements I have with some on this board, moments like this make me proud to be a Democrat.
  •  Frist quote on 'no convictions' (4.00)
    "The United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership," said Majority Leader Bill Frist. "They have no convictions, they have no principles, they have no ideas," the Republican leader said.
    Apparently you don't engender respect from Fristy and friends unless you've been convicted.
    •  Hot chocolate (none)
      onto computer.... shseeesh, thanks.
    •  Republicans have ideas! (none)
      One of them was to drum up support for an invasion of Iraq by faking intelligence on WMDs.

      Another of their ideas was to Out Valerie Wilson in order to smear her husband.

      Privatizing Social Security? --  Republican idea.

      "I think it's wrong for the federal government to be in the ice business, providing ice so I can keep my beer and Diet Coke cool." -- Republican idea.

      "There's no such thing as the United Nations. If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference." --Republican idea.

      "We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job." -- Republican idea.

      Even if Democrats had the idea to declare Fridays "Official Clothing Optional Day," they could hardly do worse than that.

  •  Way to go Harry!!! (none)
    Dont' stop now, keeping giving it to the Repug's!  Writing my Senator next!!!
  •  Secret sessions not unprecedented (none)
    There have been 53 Secret Sessions since 1929, and six during the impeachment trial of President Clinton.

    Secret Sessions have also been used to discuss the Chemical Weapons Convention, China's Most Favored Nation status, the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, and one in 1983 on Nicaragua.

  •  Reid Rocks (none)
    He's tough, smart and willing to fight. I just hope he stays out of light planes.
  •  NYT moves up story (none)
    Funny !
    NYT first had this story below the $7Bill "Super-flu-ous" story of the day. Some time along the way, they decided it is likely to be bigger thn the Super-flu story.
    •  'I've got to go figure out what we're going to do' (none)
      Gotta' love this quote to end the story:

      Senator Frist ended the impromptu news conference by turning to stride back onto the closed Senate floor, saying, "I've got to go figure out what we're going to do."

      and you gotta' be lovin' Harry Reid right now!
      Was Frist nearly wetting his pants or what?

  •  Reid on CNN (none)
    Of course we know now that there are no WMD, no Al Qaida connection. But he needs to say that we, the american people, need to know if the president knew these things before we went to war. Come on Harry! Frame!
  •  Calling all fellow Kansans! (none)
    Let's use this to kick Pat Roberts out in 2008 (assuming he doesn't retire!)
  •  Gloves off at Reid's press conference (none)
    Wow.  This is the best day for Democrats in a looong time.  Reid is showing fight and it looks like we finally have our competent, fighting Democrats back!  Woo Hoo!!!

    The fight against Alito is the most important political fight of our time.

    by HillaryGuy on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:01:55 PM PST

  •  Reid's Speech (none)
    Incredible.  It showed so much spine and so much poise in its delivery, and yet it was very direct in its message.

    The Dems are not going to be taking any more Republican shit.  Period.  Reid has shown himself to be a brilliant and powerful leader who isn't a maverick, but needs and wants and UNDERSTANDS that progress needs to be made.  Progress isn't something Bush wants.  He wants a status quo where he is on top and anything unrelated to his personal power can flounder and die.

  •  I am so oo happy.... (none)
    I had almost despaired of the Dems...Ithought they would go down with a whimper instead of a bang...I turned on the tube and I see the Dems have beaten the Repigs to the nuclear punch...This may be our Fitzmas Gift...Fighting Dems???Who knew?
  •  Bill, is something wrong? (4.00)
    Is Rick looking at your ass?

    (click for story)


    I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been/ Each week we lose a hundred fine young men. -- Johnny Cash

    by Page van der Linden on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:07:24 PM PST

  •  Finally... (none)
    Courage!  I have tears in my eyes.  Today is a good day to be a Democrat.
  •  Wasn't it a precedent for Senators (none)
    Wasn't it a precedent for Senators not to campaign against a sitting Senator from another state?  Didn't the Republicans do that to Tom Daschle?  Poor babies.  There's a new sherriff in town.

    Are you more bitter now than you were four years ago?

    by CountAsterisk on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:08:50 PM PST

  •  Hallelujah! (none)
    "Stunts" like this are done ON BEHALF of the American people and the answers we DESERVE to the question about how intelligence was so distorted in the run up to the IRAQ WAR! "Stunts" like the Bush administration's "Mission Accomplished" Presidential event are designed to keep the truth from the American people. Politics is "stunts" -- and it always has been. Let's have those "stunts" be done on OUR BEHALF, instead of to obstruct, obfuscate and deny Americans the truth! That's the Republican way. I emailed Reid to thank him for his political "stunt" and I called Sen. Durbin and Rockefeller to thank them as well.
  •  Fristed... (none)
    From the AP:  "The United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership," Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said. "Never have I been slapped in the face with such an affront to the leadership of this grand institution."

    Oh, Bill, stick it in your blind trust.

    end snark

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ---George Orwell

    by TheKickingDonkey on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:11:43 PM PST

  •  time to support them (none)
    Call your senators and donate to Reid.  Let them know this is what we want to see.

    https://secure.searchlightpac.com/page/contribute

  •  The R's have to cover it up (none)
    because if the full truth were known, Bush & Co. would be tried for war crimes.

    News is what they don't want you to know. Everything else is publicity. --Bill Moyers

    by RobLewis on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:14:51 PM PST

  •  Who is Richard Falkenrath (none)
    He is on CNN with Wolf Blitzer spewing republican BS.

    This is a sad day.
    Reid shouldn't have done this
    Bill Clinton even believed the intelligence about WMD

    Alito is Extraordinary.

    by NYC Sophia on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:29:15 PM PST

  •  how long will it take (none)
    before (by majority vote) the Rpgs find a way to change the rules about calling special sessions?

    GOoPers have been threatening to "break the rules to change the rules" everytime something happens they don't like.

    that said, I'm glad Dems are showing this kind of backbone.  It warms my heart to see Frist whining about not being consulted--like he's never done that to us before?

    give em hell, Harry.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:29:30 PM PST

  •  chris matthews asked (none)
    "why don't you get cheney into the hearings? he IS president of the senate..."

    "The billboards shade the flags they wave. . ." -Bright Eyes

    by indiemcemopants on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:33:17 PM PST

  •  It's About Time (none)
    It's nice to see that the Senate Democrats listened to Clinton's remarks about standing up and fighting. The Republicans are frightened beyond belief right now. Look at the desperate attempt to spin this as a "stunt." Well, I call this a fight, and one I'm glad to see happening.

    "Never before, said Mr. Frist, 'have ever I been slapped in the face with such an affront to the leadership of this grand institution.'"

    That's right Frist. The Dems are standing up to you and your party's BS and slapping you in the face like you have deserved for quite some time now.

  •  Frist was so flustered (none)
    he immediately defaulted to the-- Dems tax and spend propaganda and said they did this because they're angry about ScAlito. ROFL - don't think he ever addressed the bogus intel issue.

    Cheney died a natural death - on the phone with Halliburton.

    by annefrank on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:41:25 PM PST

  •  yay for Senate Dems (none)
    Yay!  I am so happy Reid et al, made a stand, however symbolic.  We need more of this!

    rms

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